(10-30-2017 02:02 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:51 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:14 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:10 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Yep, like the DNC enlisting the help of the Ukrainians. Let's all play Six Degrees of any Russian.

lokk back, and you will se that many months ago I predicted no collusion, just a bumch of small fry getting caught in minor technicalities.

so far, nothing looks different from that.

the twelve count indictment is missing two words - Trump and collusion.

It would be shocking if these were the only indictments to come down from the investigation. We should wait and see - it is not clear if you are completely correct.

There are connections, especially with Papodoupolus, to colluding with the Russians to influence the elections. He was informed of stolen emails in April 2016, well before that news was made public. And per the indictment, he covered his tracks after being interviewed by authorities.

I expect more indictments, at least Flynn, for not doing the paperwork properly. I also expect none for "collusion" and none of Trump.

Youse guys say the right is fascinated by the emails, but there is no evidence that the emails chamged a single vote, much less a state...or two...or three. in other words, they had zero effect. What did have effect? hree words..."basket of deplorables".

It appears both side havd some invilvement with RAussians in an effort to get dirt on the other. what is wierd ismthat only the right's efforts were wrong, the left's were OK.

I womder if the dirt they were trying to sell Junior was in fact, a fact.

I've said this many time, intent matters. Just like how there is a charge for attempted murder, even when the person doesn't actually kill someone.

If you're actively trying to leverage the resources of a hostile foreign national to attempt to sway voters, that matters, regardless of how much the opponent shot themselves in the foot.

But look, this story is far from over. I don't think I am right about anything except the financial crimes I predicted. But you certainly aren't correct yet, because these are almost certainly not the last indictments.

I guess you are charging attempted treason.

I am not in a place or with the right equipment to answer, but try googling Ukraine and DNC.


still not seeimg the problem. if the dirt comes from Russia or Montana, Still the same dirt. only a problem if something against the national interst was promised or awarded in exchange for the dirt.

do you find it interesting that what used to be called the collusion investigation is now called the investigation into Russian meddling, even by CNN?

That's just it - I'm not charging anything right now. I'm saying that we need to let the investigation come to its own conclusion. And so far, these indictments are not the end of the investigation, so there is no reason to be wrapped up in whether or not they specifically were referencing collusion as a charge.

What I WAS doing by stating that, was countering your argument that it was the "deplorables" comments and not the emails that sunk the Clinton ship. I was explaining how that doesn't matter and is not germane to the question of whether or not the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. I was explaining that colluding, regardless of how successful it was, is the problem. That success of failure does not matter.

And to your bolded, I'm glad you are interested in this investigation coming to a conclusion then. That is exactly why it's going on, and the first indictments does not indicate whether or not indictments that will carry those types of charges will be filed.