(10-19-2017 12:37 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Couple of points.

(10-19-2017 11:26 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Sorry, it just seems like you are projecting a lot onto Obama's speech - I don't hear a "screed" until your, IMVHO, ridiculous paraphrasing.

1. I guess you have never heard Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, Hillary, and Obama ever utter the phrase "pay their fair share" ever. Got it.

2. For a guy that draws down on dog whistles over a cartoon frog, it seems odd that you have never heard those explicit statements above, let alone put that simple four word mantra noted above and made incessantly by those actors into place and into context with the Obama comments.

3. Obama's comments, if they are what you say they are, are utterly fing disingenuous on the surface. The people to whom is speaking about "You didnt build that", given the current state of tax financing and the enormous proportional load paid by the upper 45 per cent for Federal income tax (i.e. almost the entirety), and on the enormous amount of taxes collected on the seriously income rich, they probably *actually did* pay for the great weight the mfing infrastructure.

Why do you need to state that 'others' built 'that', when most likely the sourcing came from the people the great professor was "lecturing", if not to implicitly tell the 45 per cent who dont pay income taxes that 'there is more gravy out there we need to get.' Obama wont get votes or support for saying 'hey lets all build infrastructure' -- he gets votes by emphasizing class divides and berating those who have.

Much like Pelosi, Schumer, and the vast majority of the Democrats have made de rigueur for their playbook. Nothing wrong with, it is just politics and pandering to those support groups you can rile up. But the message isnt a dog 'whistle', that is a friggin' dog 'lighthouse foghorn'.....

Quote:And so when I hear Obama in this speech, I actually hear him making a statement much closer to yours above than the collectivist call to arms you guys are hearing.

When you take the speech in isolation and explicitly -- potentially. But as I noted before, the thunderous chorus of the liberals and progressives is a continuous roar of "make them pay their fair share" even in light of the vast proportional load of the current taxes they already pay.

Quote:I suspect we could debate this endlessly...

I would ask that you take as much context for this as you do your Pepe the Frog issues.

I lost where Pepe came into this again, but I think this is just another round of the same disagreement - you hear a call for massive redistribution based on your larger perception of Obama's agenda and I hear a basic defense of the role of government in reaction to what many of us on the center-left and left perceive as a fairly strong rightward lurch against things like basic services and infrastructure, etc. in the Republican party.