(08-18-2017 01:45 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 12:44 PM)JSA Wrote:  

(08-18-2017 11:59 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Lad,

I think what is going on here is that you don't really comprehend how some of this comes across to people who do not agree with your views. I think that was Hillary's and the democrats' problem in 2016. To you it does not seem condescending or arrogant or snide. To others, it does. If you're willing to keep doing that, then you are going to drive away a lot of what used to be your bread and butter voters. If you want them back, you need to chart a different course. You can do with that what you will.

As for how to talk about it, I've given that some thought, and what I think needs to be done is that both sides have to admit that they have violent extremists. As far as despicable ideologies, those on one side may have ties to fascism, those on the other may have ties to communism. What I think needs to happen is for both sides to say, OK, I'm willing to talk about my violent extremists if you're willing to talk about yours. Put it all out on the table. Right now, each side is very willing to point its fingers at the undesirables on its side, but not willing to admit its own. And that can only ratchet up to more and more division if we continue to pursue that course.

I don't know another way to do it. Do you?

"I think what is going on here is that you don't really comprehend how some of this comes across to people who do not agree with your views."

But how do you think it comes across when we keep getting called "leftists" and "progs" and someone calls President Obama "a condescending ass****" ?

Ha, that's what I've been thinking through so many posts on this thread. I see so many posts in my facebook feed condemning "libtards" or "urban elites" as opposed to "real Americans". My favorite is "snowflakes," quite often used by the same people who had a fit last year about Starbucks NOT having snowflakes on a coffee cup. I guess there are "deplorable" *and* "very fine" snowflakes.