(08-17-2017 10:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 09:59 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Explain to me how I am splitting hairs? Either the issue in your mind was painting Trump supporters with too broad of a brush or with painting any Trump supporters with that brush. Again, I ask because I think there is a serious issue to be addressed when hate groups publicly state that they feel emboldened by a public figure, and obviously you don't believe that how that issue was handled in one instance was correct.
You can hide behind your line of how condescending this post sounds or actually address it like illiniowl did, which made it clear that it was the broad generalization that they felt was the issue.
And what is so arrogant or condescending about these posts? I wouldn't mind you explaining that to me as well.

You're splitting hairs because you're trying to parse my statement in ways that miss the point. The point is not the issue in my mind. For one thing, I didn't vote for Trump. The point is the perception by blue collar voters in Pennsylvania and Ohio and Michigan and Wisconsin. And I don't know whether it was too broad a brush or the comment itself that pissed them off. But one thing is clear. Something pissed them off enough to vote for Trump, and that cost Hillary the election.

Do you really believe that comments like those alluded to by Illini ("deplorable," "too dumb to know they're voting against their own interests" and "Republicans want to kill people with their health insurance ideas" or "put y'all back in chains"), or your own, "dangerous, disgusting people are using Trump and his words and justification to come out of the shadows and publicly spout their vile beliefs, intimidate others, and promote their world view," aren't smug and condescending and arrogant? Really? Seriously? Because that's how they are perceived in mid-America.

Ask for how you talk about it, when you're engaged in retail politics, you don't. That stuff plays well with your base. But you don't win elections with your base. You win elections by getting people who are sitting on the fence to lean your way. And you don't do that by putting down people who don't agree with you 100% of the time. It's the same problem republicans have brought upon themselves by making idiotic statements about abortion.

It's the kind of thing you discus in academic settings or behind closed doors with your base. But you don't say it on the stump.

Holy heck. Are you really saying me calling white supremacists that is smug, condescending, and arrogant?

I am VERY specifically talking about what happened in Charlottesville, which is when a bunch of white supremacists got together and did some disgusting things. And when a number were interviewed, they EXPLICITLY stated that Trump was the reason they were there and they were supporting him.

If you're literally telling me that calling a spade a spade is condescending, then f*** yeah, I'm condescending as all get out. But explain to me why calling self-avowed white supremacists those things is condescending? If middle America thinks that those who believe white supremacists are pieces of **** then we have a much bigger problem.

And you're going way past what I was talking about by bringing up the election and its results. I was not talking about the effects that the deplorable comment had on the election, or why Clinton lost, but the reaction it garnered and why it did.