(08-17-2017 04:50 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(08-17-2017 04:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I'm gone for a while, and now I find you are back on the "basket of deplorables.

Somewhere in the previous 163 pages of this thread is a lengthy discussion, primarily me and Lad IIRC, about this. The upshot, again IIRC, was nobody should think she was talking about them unless they actually were a deplorable. My viewpoint was that she was just looking down her nose at everybody who wasn't for her - mainly, Middle America. Or Flyover America. Or Bitter Clinger America. Or Redneck America. Whatever vituperative label one might want to put on those inferior people. I doubt I am the only one who felt this way. IMO, that was when and why she lost the election.

But if you want to put a percent on it, I think a proper one would be .1%. sixty million times .01% = 6,000, a number big enough to cover charlottesville 20X.I am sure just about all of the racists voted for Trump, if they voted. They didn't carry even a single state for him, though. Probably not even a single county.

sorry about the interruption. I will return you to your regularly scheduled program now.

It was brought back up because of Charlottesville and how vocal many of the deplorables there supported Trump and indicated that he was the reason they were there.

So it sounds like the issue that many had was that the label was covering too many people than it should have, and had the percentages been more accurate then the comment would have been fine?

I think it likely that most of the truly racist people who voted - the KKK, white Supremacists - people for whom race is the single most important issue - did vote for Trump, simply because what is the alternative for them?

I think the numbers of those people is tiny.

I think a lot of people heard her statement this way - "half of the people not voting for me are deplorable"

For me, and I suspect many others, it just confirmed what I thought was the attitude of top democrats toward the common people in this country - the people famously referred to by Obama as "clinging bitterly to their guns and religion", when he was caught on a hot mic. He never would have referred to people that way in public, but it revealed how he really thought. Same as Hillary's deplorable comment revela how she really thought - that most of those people in the red states are just ignorant scum. Same as her thoughtless comment about putting coa; miners out of work. who cares about coal miners, anyway. Dirty, ignorant people, right. maybe we can re-educate them.

But these words by your leaders just point up the attitude displayed by the foot soldiers. We just finished eight years of any criticism of Obama or his policies being labeled as racist. I am tired of the characterizations of conservatives as trigger happy militia, and the characterizations of anybody with concerns about the immigration problem as racists. If you think women's bathrooms should be for women, you are labeled as sexist. If somebody religious opposes gay marriage, then all conservatives are homophobes.


So Hillary's statement rang true, just a slippage of the veil. She said what she really thought, a cardinal sin in politics. It resonated with a lot of people, I am sure, who were tired of being labeled as (pick any) racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, etc.

So, yeah, any true ____-ophobes out there probably supported Trump, or didn't vote at all. But the absolute numbers are tiny, no matter what your colleagues in Camp Purity tell you.

I had already decided that I could not support Hillary no matter who ran against her before she called me and most other Texans a deplorable, so it didn't change my vote. I was not pro-Trump, I was, and am, anti-Hillary. But I think it may have cemented the vote of a lot of people who were still undecided, and so IMO it was the final blow that killed her campaign.

So how many people in this country fit the definition of deplorable in at least one category to some degree? I think it may be close to 100%. Now if you want to just take the percentage of those who hold extremist positions, it may be closer to 3-5%. If you just count the ones that Hillary was talking about, it might be 1.5%. Heck, isn't this the woman who blamed her loss partially on misogyny? Kind of tells what color glasses she views the world through. Now figure the percentage who make this the centerpiece of their lives - the KKK types. Maybe .1%? I have heard estimates of 6,000 KKK members nationally. How many did they get to Vorgonoa, despite a month of publicity? 200? 300? I understood there 50 in the march. Not much for a national movement.

so, as one who Hillary considers deplorable, without know a thing about me, hell yeah, I took her comment personally.

I was shocked that she lost, and the margin was so close that IMO had she just not pandered to the stereotypes of her adoring crowd that night, she may well have won. JMHO.

Time for me to fade back into the woodwork. I left this site for a reason. But everybody falls off their diet once in a while.