(06-22-2017 08:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 06:38 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 11:43 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 05:27 PM)Barrett Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 05:12 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I wonder what it would take the Trump admin doing to finally get OO to say that it is a bad idea.

I think it's a pretty looooong runway . . .

There's the problem. You guys think this is in defense of Trump. Just saying, the press can still report the news.

As for pretty bad ideas, I have been saying for a year now the Wall is stupid. HELLO? Is this thing on?

I guess I will just have to repeat everything again, since y'all are so selective in your hearing. Trump has done/is doing/wants to do some things I like. he also has done/is doing/wants to do some things I don't like.

When the original list of 17 candidates announced for the nomination, he was about 14-16 on my list. Kasich was first. When it was reduced to 4, Kasich was first again. In between, I went for other candidates - Fiorena, Rubio, others, bu tas they dropped out, I still did not become a Trumpster. I voted for Rubio in the primary. I did not cast a vote for president in the general. Originally, there was one democratic candidate who might have gotten my vote against Trump, Jim Webb. Democrats hated him. Hooda thunk it, Democrats and me like different things.

I think Trump has a lot of bad qualities, some of which are not qualities I would like in a President and some of which are not qualities I would like in a person. Among his bad qualities are NOT collusion with the Russians and obstruction of justice. Those are just formless smoke thrown up to serve the interests of the Democratic party in 2018.
Yet I still would not see him as a role model for my grandsons.

I would not ever vote for Hillary, as she is one of the worst human beings in North America. The deal was sealed for me when she sidled up to Susan Smith and whispered the lie du jour into the ear of a grieving mother. How you guys can overlook that behavior is beyond me. Totally reprehensible and self-serving. True, didn''t much like her before. Zero accomplishments in office and in life, yet she deserves it, it's her turn. Better with Hillary. Snobbish and entitled are not attractive qualities to me. But what the heck, i'm just a deplorable.

Nothing above is new. You have all heard it before. Yet we get the {quoted above}statements purporting that I rubberstamp everything Trump does or says.

A little honesty, fellows, goes a long way.

Why is Clinton being brought up? I find it interesting how frequently she is brought up by our conservative leaning posters.

And we stated, in essence, that you rubberstamp everything Trump does or say because, since the election, you have. Pretty much any time ANY criticism is leveled, you've come to the defense of Trump either directly or by trying to divert the criticism somewhere else. Here are a few examples (a lot of which don't even deal with Russia or obstruction of justice):

Your pushback on a hypothetical about requiring a test be administered to presidential candidates after an interview with Trump (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-142...id14299891)

Your defense about Trump's flub about Andre Jackson (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...id14306331)

Your tangential argument that one example of Trump's bad habit of parroting the last thing he heard was not him lying (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...id14307429)

Supporting Trump's decision to allow Russian media into a closed door meeting, and not the US (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...id14326986)

After I posted photos of Trump treating the Russian ambassador nicely and being ice to Angela Merkel, you pivot immediately away from it without commenting on your thoughts on how Trump is now seemingly doing the same thing you were criticizing Obama for (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...id14335841)

Ah, the ol' Trump bow in Saudi Arabia and somehow you disagreeing with me about his avoidance of a term by agreeing with me (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...id14351827)

Support of various Trump members incorrectly filling out their security clearance paperwork (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...14365806).

And I'm sure I could keep going.

I will 100% admit that I am very critical of this president, and I have been since he started running. Perhaps your pushback/deflection is just a natural reaction to the team dynamics of this thing, which is understandable. Pretty much everyone is willing to brush off more things that their side did as opposed to the other.

Clinton is being brought up because she was the democratic candidate that Trump defeated. She was the alternative. Your pushback would lead one to think that I was a Trump supporter from the git-go and have blindly rubberstamped his policies just because they were Trump's policies, when in fact I opposed his election and oppose many of his policies and/or his way of implementing them.

Saying I rubberstamp everything when in fact you know I don't is exactly the sort of statement that has led some people to say that Trump lies all the time.

But when I see nonsense, I call nonsense. When I see shades of gray when others are yelling "black and white", I say so. When the crowd is hollering "she's a witch", and all I see is a scapegoat, I say so.

A lot of nonsense and scapegoating going on.

Yep, you and I disagree on a lot of things, Lad, but not on everything, so why do you continue to fight to prove it is everything?

So what is the problem with the press corp taking notes? Is it because it was the Trump Administration that ordered this? Seems to be that way. What is the loss of freedom or the furtherance of the Russians that one sees in this?

I think you are more on a team that I am, so maybe you know more about team dynamics. Maybe I have missed it, but what are the Trump actions that you applauded and support? What choices has he made in economics, foreign policy, and staffing that you have publicly supported? Or what are the Democrats' accusations that you disagree with? I made my opposition to various Trump policies publicly known from the beginning, and you have forgotten that, and with this last post, pointedly ignored it. Go Team!

Trump is president. Not my first choice, nor my last, not my preference, except in comparison with Hillary (his opponent, remember?). I don't like his manner oftentimes, I don't like his tweeting, but I can find things i like, and not just knee jerk like everything or hate everything, as some do.

Tell me what you like about him. I have told you some of the things I don't like about him.