(05-31-2017 06:31 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 02:46 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  This is a pretty impressive response.

Thank you. Sarcastic comment deserves sarcastic response.

Quote:You chose pretty much the one potential aspect of the situations that was dissimilar (suggestion of collusion by some in the US, none so far as far as I know if France) to try and refute my point.

The reason I "chose" that aspect is because it is the only aspect that matters. If you take away the collusion aspect, then the story is that the Russians tried to hack our election, period. Well, duh. We knew that. They've been trying to hack everything of ours that they could ever since hacking became possible. So has China and probably a dozen other countries. And we do the same to them. That's why Hillary's security lapses were so significant.

This is what I don't understand. The fact that Hillary exposed classified national security information to potential hackers is no big deal, but the fact that those hackers got into Podesta's email is a major crisis? How does that work?

You are 100% in the wrong on the collusion being the only aspect that matters.

While there is a chance you are correct that other foreign entities have attempted to influence elections before, there is no evidence that they have actually succeeded in doing so.

Do you remember similar, foreign driven scandals in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012?

The two elections I am talking about represent the first time that a foreign power has overtly tried to influence the outcome of an election - and they did so in the exact same way.

Also STOP BRINGING UP HILLARY. There is absolutely no value added in this discussion. The WhatAboutism is getting really tired and old. It's also a really bad whataboutism. I don't actually care so much that the hackers got into DNC and Podesta emails, as much as I care about that fact that a foreign country did so, with the explicit aim of trying to influence our electorate in order to get something they wanted.

But I'm glad you care so much about the security of our classified materials. To play some devil's advocate, I assume you were pissed about the sharing of information on our nuclear subs with Duerte, or that Trump is trying to get world leaders to call his cell phone, or that Trump reviewed the N. Korea missile test briefings in public at Mar A Lago, or that Trump tweets using an unsecure cell phone, and on and on.

Like I said, I don't care about the hacking because of the security concerns, I care about it because of why it happened and why it was done.