(05-12-2017 05:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 04:15 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 03:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 01:38 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 01:13 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Yeah, I had hope for Obama on Inauguration Day, 2009. I hoped he would move toward the middle. I was disappointed in that.

Which to me, is pretty laughable because he didn't actually move that left. He didn't ram through single payer healthcare, he stole no guns, taxes were only raised just slightly at the top of the tax bracket, drugs were not decriminalized nationwide, and the rate of spending increase stopped and we eventually saw reductions in the deficit each year the last 5 or 6 years of his presidency.

I won't go further down this rabbit hole, but when you say he didn't pivot towards the middle, what policies disappointed you and weren't more centrist? I'm genuinely curious about what policies he actually enacted that were too far left. The auto bailout and stimulus?

i had hoped he would move to the middle, which in his case would be a move to the right. o, when you he didn't move that far left, iany movement to the left was not what I wamted. Often camdidate preach left to their base, work toward the middle to get bipartisan suppot.

What did he do that I liked, would be a much shorter list.

1. Gave the order to proceed on bin Laden.

Guess that's it. i didn't like publicizing a date certain to withdraw from Iraq, I didn't like Cash for Clunkers. Name some other things he did, and I will respnd to the list.

But what did he do that was so far left? And why do you view those items as too liberal?

I ask, because a common complaint from liberals is that Obama didn't be actually oversee a lot of progressive change, that he stayed too close to center on things like taxes, healthcare, infrastructure spending, marijuana, use of military force (mainly drones), etc.

I'm genuinely interested in the actions you viewed as too liberal. I assume the policy of non-intervention in Syria is one?

Th policy of nonintervention everywhere is something disliked about him, but I don't know if if should be called "liberal".

Nonintervention in Iran, Crimea, Ukraine. The only country in the Middle East he didn't back away from was Israel.

Hated the Iran deal and paying the ransom.

Hated dropping the missile defense shield and the toadying to Russia. How ironic is,that?

I guess the second best thing he was to pardon the Thanksgivng turkeys.

So foreign policy was where your gripes were? No domestic issues besides cash for clunkers?