(05-01-2017 04:33 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 02:52 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 02:06 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I did not not know when Jackson died,still don't, but neither did I assume he lived past 1860. Of course, the coming civil war was apparent to many long before then, so it is not entirely impossible he might have remarked on a pending civil War - depending on when he died, I guess. I could not make a single quote for him, but I think "Charge" is likely.

Edit: From wiki: On May 1, 1833, Jackson wrote, "the tariff was only the pretext, and disunion and southern confederacy the real object. The next pretext will be the negro, or slavery question."[121][122]

Sounds like dissoution of the Union was a political matter at least as early as 1833.

Trivia guys - how many states seceded before Lincoln's inauguration?

So to the bolded, do you think it is a good idea for someone in the same shoes to state that Jackson did, in fact, say a specific quote or talk about a topic in a specific context?

Your defense of Trump in this regard is suggesting he is basically Nostradamus. Trump speaks with such nondescript language that people will find a way to suggest that perhaps there was some truth to what he said, when in fact, he just pulled the lie out his a**.

My, you really have a burr under your saddle when it comes to Trump, don't you? Or is it me?

I think a lot of people in the years before 1860 thought a civil war was a stupid thing to do. Many of them must have said so. I don't think any of them had to live to see it happen to think so.

I don't know what Trump thinks - is he really just making this up? Or lying? Or mistaken? Or misquoting? Or maybe has Jackson confused with somebody else. You faith that it has to be, must be, in fact IS, that he "IN FACT ... just pulled the lie out his a**" is pretty scary, actually. Your absolute certainty on this is truly frightening.

Would you feel the same certainty if I said Obama was lying out his a** when he tried to tell us there were 57 states, or would you give him the benefit of the doubt?

OO - if it wasn't for the fact that Trump pulled things out his a** almost 24/7 I would give him the benefit of that doubt. But he has proven at this point, beyond a shadow of the doubt, that he doesn't care about the truth and will say anything, regardless of its connection to reality, to try and further whatever point he is trying to make.

If Trump mistakenly said Jackson was from Kentucky, I'd lump that in with the 57 states thing as mispeaking/making a mistake. But this falls much more in line with:

- his historic electoral college victory
- his historic inauguration crowd
- the Obama wiretapping claim
- 3 million illegal immigrant votes
- his take on how high the murder rate is in the US
- the Swedish terrorist attack
- his physical location the day before the Brexit vote
- that he agreed to cancel that Mexico meeting
- that people in Chicago were shot and killed during Obama's farewell speech

And on, and on.