(01-26-2017 12:02 PM)JSA Wrote:  

(01-26-2017 11:58 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-26-2017 10:16 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I too think the right to vote in the US is the exact same as the right to enter a foreign country or be provided government assistance. One in the same.

I guess we just view the right to vote differently - that to me it should be denied to as few people as possible, while you don't believe that.

I wish that people who voted were all well informed and understood civics, but I worry that putting any sort of poll tax (be that monetary or intelligent based), would unintentionally (or intentionally) keep swaths of people from voting in elections that directly effect them.

Well, it certainly would keep stupid, umimformed minimally caring people from voting. I can see how that would slant the results toward good policies. We sure don't need that.

Out of curiosity, who do you think would have been most affected if my plan was in place, Trump or Clinton? Who would have lost the most voters?


You misunderstood my point about passports. If asking people for ID to vote is restricting their right to vote, then asking them for ID to get a passport must be restricting their right to travel. Yet there s an uproar over one and silence on the other.

What if a UT student ID wasn't a valid ID for getting a passport, but a concealed carry permit was?

A UT student with a gun. NObody wants that.

Seriously, whatever ID s sufficient t prove identity. I presume there must be some proof of identity to get the permit, and probably the student Id! In which case either would do the job

Without going into detail, I am currently at a location involved in activity that requires ID to be shown. I have seen DLs and passports resented. I have no idea if the other things would be accepted, because so far, everybody has one or the other. But if ID is required, does that mean people of color or minimal means are excluded. Sure seems te a lot of,both here.


Other than voting, what are some of the legal activities for which NO ID is required? Hunting? fishing? Driving a vehicle?

The arguments that ID for voting is restrictive but ID for everything else is not seems odd.