(01-19-2017 02:08 PM)wrysal Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 01:47 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 12:50 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I din't see a need to cut Obama slack on morals, other than truthfulness. I waited to see his Cabinet appointees, some of which i approved, and others not. I waited to see if he moved more to the center from his campaign rhetoric, as i hoped. I was disappointed in that. I waited to see how the transparency and uniting would work out. I gave him a chance. mostly, he failed. But I waited until he failed.

But the slack was on his actions a president, not on his personal life. I did not like his BLT religion, but I gave it a rest. Turned out to be largely a nonfactpr aftert he campaign.

We don't elect moral leaders, we elect national leaders. Comparing Trump to Jesus, or Buddha or Mohammed or this Pope or that Pope does little. None of them had to lead a nation or solve problems of economics or foreign policy. the president does.

They tried to get Jesus to commit to being King of the Jews, an admission that would have earned him death in Roman occupied Judea. he came backwith the Render unto Caesar speech. He did not present himself or want to be a secular leader, and I think it unfair to present him as the role model for President of the United States.

many of our presidents have done bad things in their personal lives, and some have done them in the official lives. Nobody yet has approached Jesus, and none will. But some of the immoral prsdient were good Presidents, and some of the moral ones were bad Presidents.

Solomon wanted to divide the baby. would we want him on the SCOTUS?

Different yardsticks.

Gotcha. I agree generally that personal life activities (e.g. affairs, marriage difficulties, family members) are generally irrelevant of whether the president can do his job (unlike many Reps, at least a number of years ago). That's why I have no issues with Trump's multiple marriages.

However, personal demeanor and how the general public and others are treated and how the president interacts and carries themselves are important. I think how our president carries themselves and treats others is such a public display that it can inform our citizens on how we should treat each other. If someone came into interview for a job and they started off by mimicking a disabled person the way Trump did, would you hire them? At some point isn't understanding what is appropriate conduct very important?

I'm sure you've been told this many times and choose to overlook it, but Trump has made the same "mimicking a disabled person" gestures to countless other non-disabled persons. If you ever want to be "heard" by conservatives you should (IMO) change your "go-to" Trump bashing comment to something else (there's plenty to choose from).

I actually have no clue what you're talking about. He has made the same hand motions and change in speech when mimicking other people?

If so, I can't tell if that's better or worse.