(05-01-2017 07:25 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 03:01 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  You always say NAIA was better than D-II, funny the D-II guys said they've always been better. I look at it this way, the D-II playoff schools the last 15-20 years were better than the NAIA playoff schools for the most part, in football and basketball. The GVSUs, UNA, NW Mo, UND, N.Colos, Valdosta Sts were better than the Carrolls, Sioux Falls, Georgetown(KY), St. Francis(IN) NW Ok. Same in bball, the CSUBs, Kentucky Wesleyans, Metro St., UC Davis> Life, Ok City, G'town, Birm-So.

It depends on the sport, and that usually comes down to scholarships.

D2 football is better than NAIA football because there difference is (I think) 50% more scholarships for D2. NAIA allows 24 (but doesn't count honors students and JVs) and D2 - I think - allows 36(?). Football is what most here care about I guess. There aren't many head to head games to compare for sure, the one that does come to mind is Marian vs. Indianapolis.

For basketball, yes I think NAIA is better but not by much. Eleven scholarships (again, not including honors students) vs 10 for D2. There are a couple of head to head comparisons that bear this out, although they are getting a little old. NAIA St Catharine was a 1st round tournament loser in 2011 but beat D2 national champion Bellarmine. NAIA Westmont didn't qualify for the 2010 national tournament but beat D2 champion Cal Poly Pomona. If you have other comparisons that show otherwise let me know.

you gave 2. I do believe they are similar in that most NAIA moves are to D-II vs D-III. But scholly vs scholly aren't equal. Fresno gets 85 and so does USC but USC gets better quality for their 85. So you could use that example for when an NAIA wins it should be vs a better quality athlete. What is the NCAA D-II top 25 record vs the NAIA top 25 the past 20 years? That will tell us something. If you can find that somewhere that would be telling. Are you insinuating that the D-II top 25 guys don't have wins let alone not as many or more vs top NAIA schools? Crazy talk. I don't know if Missouri Valley is good but NW Mo beat them 103-58. I couldn't find a D-II vs NAIA record. I just clicked NW Mo schedule and they had 1 gm vs NAIA. 1995 UCR beat Pt. Loma, Coll. of ND and UCSC(dual member) who were all NAIA back in 1995. Findley beat Marygrove by 50. Ashland beat Wilberforce by 35, GVSU beat trinity Christ. by 37. You can tell me how good or bad they are. i don't even know how good all the D-II schools I'm posting are. Most of the gm lists are from the last 2 yrs. The UCR was a random find going back 20+. ccaa was 10-2 vs NAIA, Biola who is moving to D-II, won by 1 and 4 vs 18-10 and 26-8 teams. Oregon Tech though, the 1 name when it comes to NAIA D-II bball power, lost to a 13-16 ccaa team.
You can look through every D-II schedule if you want. I sure don't. I did the CCAA, since we are both from CA. Hey David St. Have at it! tell us the final count
http://campus.mst.edu/athleticsarchives/...hoops.html

Now I wonder what D-II record vs the bottom of D-I is.

NAIA will always have the biggest upset ever. Then NAIA Chaminade beats #1 Virginia

But let me give you an example, Lehigh beat Duke in the tourney. So the PL must be better than the ACC. And Lehigh is a better basketball program than Duke. See how that doesn't work. I can give way more than 2. Enter any 14/15 seed that won vs 2/3 seed. None of the 14/15s are better programs or in better conferences.
And yes D-II football allows up to 36 some conf. have rules of only 24 and some play under the 24.