(03-15-2018 05:43 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 02:08 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am always amazed by how many people here still hero worship Toad.

Personally, Not a fan of the dude at all. Twelve games was plenty (he coached thirteen).

But, notable: 2nd highest career winning percentage at Rice.

And some folks (even around here!) like to say that winning is most important, or all that matters.

Or winning while not cheating is better than being a space occupying incompetent.

To my knowledge, Todd Graham did not break any NCAA rules that resulted in us being sanctioned or anything. I'm sure the crony bodies have "stories" or rumors that get floated around.. like the unverified 55 player claim.. but again.. Graham was a giant ******* who was unquestionably more successful than the incompetent who succeeded him.

No hero worship, nothing. Just a raw acknowledgement of fact.

Rice (with Graham) 1 - Tulsa (without Graham) 0
Rice (without Graham) 0 - Tulsa (with Graham) 4

Net: Todd Graham 5 - Rice teams without TG 0.

My point: I don't like TG... at all. But just because we got dumped, doesn't make the person any less interesting/good/beautiful than they were before. Instead, we married the rebound and burned 8 million USD while convincing ourselves we were awesome.