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Louisville - BCS (Orange Bowl)
Rutgers - Russel Athletic Bowl
UCF- Belk Bowl
Cinci - Pinstripe Bowl
Houston - BBVA Bowl
No team from AAC will have a winning record to be eligible - St Pete.
No team from AAC will have a winning record to be eligible-Liberty (back-up tie)
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(09-30-2013 11:01 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Louisville - BCS
UCF - Russel Athletic Bowl
Cincy- Belk Bowl
Rutgers - Pinstripe Bowl
Houston - BBVA Bowl

Maybe Memphis gets to 6-6 and goes to St. Pete.

I think this is more likely. Rutgers went to the Russell Athletic last year and I think UCF will finish higher than them. This would honestly be best case scenario travel wise so that we can actually look like a conference that supports bowl teams.
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RE: What is our 2013 bowl lineup?
Just to clarify, if UCF and Cincy were to both finish 11-1, the BCS bid is left up to the BCS standings correct? I know it is a very long shot given that we would both have to get past Louisville and we both have to play Rutgers and Houston who are no cupcakes. But given that we do not play each other, it is technically possible.
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RE: What is our 2013 bowl lineup?
(09-30-2013 11:05 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  
(09-30-2013 11:01 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Louisville - BCS
UCF - Russel Athletic Bowl
Cincy- Belk Bowl
Rutgers - Pinstripe Bowl
Houston - BBVA Bowl

Maybe Memphis gets to 6-6 and goes to St. Pete.

I think this is more likely. Rutgers went to the Russell Athletic last year and I think UCF will finish higher than them. This would honestly be best case scenario travel wise so that we can actually look like a conference that supports bowl teams.

Magic, Yes, UCF would be a better fit for the Russel Athletic Bowl and Rutgers for the Pinstripe for the reason you mentioned. But the bowls don't always use the same logic and sometimes hotel rooms from far away fans are more important than game tickets from local fans. Many bowls hate inviting the local team and I can name at least three bowls that make the local team ineligible to play. (Holiday, Sun and now Liberty)
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(09-30-2013 11:11 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  Just to clarify, if UCF and Cincy were to both finish 11-1, the BCS bid is left up to the BCS standings correct? I know it is a very long shot given that we would both have to get past Louisville and we both have to play Rutgers and Houston who are no cupcakes. But given that we do not play each other, it is technically possible.

Here are the procedures the Big East used to determine the BCS representative.

SINGLE CHAMPION
The conference's regular champion will represent the BIG EAST in the Bowl Championship Series.

TWO-WAY TIE
The winner of the head to head match-up will represent the BIG EAST in the Bowl Championship Series.

THREE-WAY TIE
A "mini-conference" is created amongst the three tied teams.

Scenario I:
All three teams have either a 6-1 or 5-2 record and have each won one game and lost one game against the other tied teams in the mini-conference. In this case, the highest ranked team amongst the three earns the bid. If two of the three teams are tied for the highest ranking, the bid is earned by the team winning the head-to-head match up.

Scenario II:
All three teams have 5-2 records, and within the mini-conference, Team A is 2-0, Team B is 1-1, and Team C is 0-2. Team A earns bid regardless of ranking.

FOUR-WAY TIE
A "mini-conference" is created amongst the four tied teams.

Scenario I:
In the mini-conference, Teams A & B are 2-1, and Teams C & D are 1-2. The higher ranked of the 2-1 teams earns the bid. If the 2-1 teams tie for the highest ranking, the bid goes to the team that won the head-to-head match up.

Scenario II:
In the mini-conference, Team A is 3-0, Team B is 2-1, Team C is 1-2, and Team D is 0-3. Team A earns bid regardless of ranking.

Note: All references to "rankings" refer to the BCS Poll released after the regular season is completed for all BIG EAST members.
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Florida Citrus Sports (who runs the Russell Athletic and the Capital One Bowl) has always been heavily influenced by the tourism industry. Part of their mission statement is "to promote tourism", and the money for the Citrus Bowl renovations comes from the local tourist tax on hotel rooms. If FCS had their way, they would pick 2 teams for the game who would bring large travelling contingents to fill up a lot of hotel rooms. That said, this is the one and only year they will be able to pick UCF for the bowl game. If we are eligible, there would be a lot of local pressure for them to take UCF. Ultimately, I think UCF would actually get the invite.
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RE: What is our 2013 bowl lineup?
The scenario presented above by MagicKnightmare (two teams tie at the end of the year but did not play one another during the regular season) was not covered by the old Big East rules. The reason why is because every Big East team played every other Big East team once during the regular season. As a result, it was impossible for teams to tie without having played one another during the regular season.

I assume/hope the American foresaw this as a possibility and added a tie-breaker rule in case the above scenario actually happened. My guess is that they did and that any such tie would be split based on BCS ranking (since that is the default tie-breaker for pretty much everything else).
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(09-30-2013 11:34 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  The scenario presented above by MagicKnightmare (two teams tie at the end of the year but did not play one another during the regular season) was not covered by the old Big East rules. The reason why is because every Big East team played every other Big East team once during the regular season. As a result, it was impossible for teams to tie without having played one another during the regular season.

I assume/hope the American foresaw this as a possibility and added a tie-breaker rule in case the above scenario actually happened. My guess is that they did and that any such tie would be split based on BCS ranking (since that is the default tie-breaker for pretty much everything else).


Link to official tie-breaking procedures for the AAC:
http://theamerican.org/documents/2013/8/...edures.pdf


Two-Way Tie
1. The winner of the head to head match-up will represent The American in the Bowl Championship Series.
2. If still tied, the highest-ranked team in the final BCS standings will be the BCS representative.

Three-Way Tie
1. If one team defeated both other teams, then that team shall be the representative.
2. If still tied, and if two teams defeated the third team, the third team is eliminated. The remaining two teams
revert to the two-team tie procedure.
3. If still tied, the highest-ranked team in the final BCS standings will be the BCS representative.

Four-Way Tie
1. If one team defeated the other three teams, then that team shall be the representative
2. If still tied, and three of the four teams defeated the fourth team, the fourth team is eliminated. The
remaining three teams revert to the three-way tie procedure.
3. If still tied, and two of the four teams defeated the other two teams, the latter two teams shall be eliminated.
The two remaining teams shall revert to the two-team tie procedure.
4. If still tied, the highest-ranked team in the final BCS standings will be the BCS representative.
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(09-30-2013 11:48 AM)Inigo Wrote:  Link to official tie-breaking procedures for the AAC:
http://theamerican.org/documents/2013/8/...edures.pdf


Two-Way Tie
1. The winner of the head to head match-up will represent The American in the Bowl Championship Series.
2. If still tied, the highest-ranked team in the final BCS standings will be the BCS representative.

Three-Way Tie
1. If one team defeated both other teams, then that team shall be the representative.
2. If still tied, and if two teams defeated the third team, the third team is eliminated. The remaining two teams
revert to the two-team tie procedure.
3. If still tied, the highest-ranked team in the final BCS standings will be the BCS representative.

Four-Way Tie
1. If one team defeated the other three teams, then that team shall be the representative
2. If still tied, and three of the four teams defeated the fourth team, the fourth team is eliminated. The
remaining three teams revert to the three-way tie procedure.
3. If still tied, and two of the four teams defeated the other two teams, the latter two teams shall be eliminated.
The two remaining teams shall revert to the two-team tie procedure.
4. If still tied, the highest-ranked team in the final BCS standings will be the BCS representative.

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What are UCF's traveling numbers? I have honestly never heard anything about UCF and traveling... not saying UCF fans don't, I've just never heard of it.

UC has a history of bringing good numbers since joining the Big East. 10K+ to Birmingham to play a crappy USM team, 20K+ to Miami vs VT, 35K to New Orleans to play Florida, 10K+ to the Belk Bowl last year.

I think you can count on at least another 10K this year.
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(09-30-2013 12:33 PM)mlb Wrote:  What are UCF's traveling numbers? I have honestly never heard anything about UCF and traveling... not saying UCF fans don't, I've just never heard of it.

UC has a history of bringing good numbers since joining the Big East. 10K+ to Birmingham to play a crappy USM team, 20K+ to Miami vs VT, 35K to New Orleans to play Florida, 10K+ to the Belk Bowl last year.

I think you can count on at least another 10K this year.

Our entire bowl history is a trip to Hawaii, twice to Memphis for the Liberty Bowl, and twice to our backyard in St. Petersburg for the Beef O'Brady's Bowl. All in the span of the past 8 years. With that said, I would have no idea where to find numbers on something like that.
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(09-30-2013 11:01 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Louisville - BCS (Orange Bowl)
Rutgers - Russel Athletic Bowl
UCF- Belk Bowl
Cinci - Pinstripe Bowl
Houston - BBVA Bowl
No team from AAC will have a winning record to be eligible - St Pete.
No team from AAC will have a winning record to be eligible-Liberty (back-up tie)

I could see Ohio in the St. Pete game this season if the AAC doesn't fill it.

Last year Ball State was in St. Pete, so I don't see them being selected. Toledo or BGSU in Detroit. The MAC Champ in Mobile or San Diego.

Mobile (Bowling Green)
San Diego (Northern Illinois)
Detroit (Toledo)
Boise (Ball State)
St. Pete (Ohio)

Ohio has some local recruits from the Tampa area I'm sure they would like to show off to in front of a 7-5 CUSA team.
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(09-30-2013 12:54 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  With that said, I would have no idea where to find numbers on something like that.

You usually can find it in game articles from the city in which you played in.
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Liberty bowl info

http://www.wvgazette.com/Sports/201309290081

Reads like it's two out of BBVA, BOB or Liberty for 2013, but hasn't been set yet.
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Bowl travel numbers are tough because so many fans don't buy through the school. Id speculate this is even more common at schools with a younger fanbase. Older fans are happy to pay to not worry about planning...but most of our fans fill the message boards with stories about the better deal and seats they got on their own. And forget about those expensive "VIP packages" for a crummy catered tailgate with hot dogs and nachos.

UCF was trying to stress that our fans buy through the school to help our bid for an AQ conference, but around the holidays, I don't think the majority jumped at that.
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(09-30-2013 11:01 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Louisville - BCS (Orange Bowl)
Rutgers - Russel Athletic Bowl
UCF- Belk Bowl
Cinci - Pinstripe Bowl
Houston - BBVA Bowl
No team from AAC will have a winning record to be eligible - St Pete.
No team from AAC will have a winning record to be eligible-Liberty (back-up tie)

I would much rather go to the St. Pete then to Birmingham!
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(10-01-2013 03:10 PM)HoustonCougarNation Wrote:  I would much rather go to the St. Pete then to Birmingham!

If it were up to me, I would gladly swap places with you. Birmingham is an easy drive from Memphis and 10,000 Tiger fans can have plenty of fun there playing an SEC team.
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(09-30-2013 12:54 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  
(09-30-2013 12:33 PM)mlb Wrote:  What are UCF's traveling numbers? I have honestly never heard anything about UCF and traveling... not saying UCF fans don't, I've just never heard of it.

UC has a history of bringing good numbers since joining the Big East. 10K+ to Birmingham to play a crappy USM team, 20K+ to Miami vs VT, 35K to New Orleans to play Florida, 10K+ to the Belk Bowl last year.

I think you can count on at least another 10K this year.

Our entire bowl history is a trip to Hawaii, twice to Memphis for the Liberty Bowl, and twice to our backyard in St. Petersburg for the Beef O'Brady's Bowl. All in the span of the past 8 years. With that said, I would have no idea where to find numbers on something like that.

We sold out our BOB Bowl allotment in 2009, and then some. We fell short of selling out last year. The 2007 Liberty Bowl, we sent a little over 10K. In 2010, I think we sent a litte under 10K. Historically, UCF travels pretty well for "big" games, but doesn't travel at all for "pedestrian" games. Our CUSA league road games were very poorly attended, except for a couple of UAB games, which is within a reasonable driving distance.

I don't think the Pinstripe Bowl would be stupid enough to invite us. I think our traveling numbers would be DISMAL for that one. Obviously we would pack our half of the Citrus Bowl for the Russell Athletic, but I honestly believe Florida Citrus Sports would rather invite ANYONE but UCF. They just don't give a rat's azz about UCF, and they never have, especially after we took revenue out of their pocket by building our own stadium. Only political influence from Orlando and Orange County would make them take us. Since Dyer and Jacobs are also concerned about tourism, I'm not sure they would bring their influence to bear on FCS on our behalf. If UCF ended up in the B-Ham Bowl, I think we would take 7-10K to face an SEC team, depending who it is. The Belk, I could see 5-8K. Assuming Louisville is in the BCS bowl, I actually prefer the Belk over Russell. I always welcome a chance to take a road trip. The Russell would be a one-day thing, and honestly, i don't care if I ever set foot in the Citrus Dump again.
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(10-01-2013 04:21 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  
(09-30-2013 12:54 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  
(09-30-2013 12:33 PM)mlb Wrote:  What are UCF's traveling numbers? I have honestly never heard anything about UCF and traveling... not saying UCF fans don't, I've just never heard of it.

UC has a history of bringing good numbers since joining the Big East. 10K+ to Birmingham to play a crappy USM team, 20K+ to Miami vs VT, 35K to New Orleans to play Florida, 10K+ to the Belk Bowl last year.

I think you can count on at least another 10K this year.

Our entire bowl history is a trip to Hawaii, twice to Memphis for the Liberty Bowl, and twice to our backyard in St. Petersburg for the Beef O'Brady's Bowl. All in the span of the past 8 years. With that said, I would have no idea where to find numbers on something like that.

We sold out our BOB Bowl allotment in 2009, and then some. We fell short of selling out last year. The 2007 Liberty Bowl, we sent a little over 10K. In 2010, I think we sent a litte under 10K. Historically, UCF travels pretty well for "big" games, but doesn't travel at all for "pedestrian" games. Our CUSA league road games were very poorly attended, except for a couple of UAB games, which is within a reasonable driving distance.

I don't think the Pinstripe Bowl would be stupid enough to invite us. I think our traveling numbers would be DISMAL for that one. Obviously we would pack our half of the Citrus Bowl for the Russell Athletic, but I honestly believe Florida Citrus Sports would rather invite ANYONE but UCF. They just don't give a rat's azz about UCF, and they never have, especially after we took revenue out of their pocket by building our own stadium. Only political influence from Orlando and Orange County would make them take us. Since Dyer and Jacobs are also concerned about tourism, I'm not sure they would bring their influence to bear on FCS on our behalf. If UCF ended up in the B-Ham Bowl, I think we would take 7-10K to face an SEC team, depending who it is. The Belk, I could see 5-8K. Assuming Louisville is in the BCS bowl, I actually prefer the Belk over Russell. I always welcome a chance to take a road trip. The Russell would be a one-day thing, and honestly, i don't care if I ever set foot in the Citrus Dump again.
I was at the St Pete bowl in '09 and it felt like a 2/3 UCF to 1/3 Rutgers mix. Lot of fun (particularly the outcome 02-13-banana )
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