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Notre Dame Moving Closer to BCS Irrelevence--Sporting News
Interesting take on Notre Dame's future standing in college football.


Not only will it be increasingly harder for the Irish to find a way to the Plus One without an unbeaten or 1-loss season (the last one: 1993), the days of the BCS placating the Irish could be all but over.

It wasn’t long ago that the BCS agreed to give Notre Dame $1.3 million a year just for the whiff of the potential that the Irish could actually qualify for a BCS bowl. That’s right, the renegotiated BCS contract in 2005 came with a rider that gave Notre Dame money just for being Notre Dame.

Those days, everyone, are long gone.

In years past, the Notre Dame athletic director was the strongest man in the room during BCS meetings. How else do you think the university carved out such unthinkable deals that allowed the Irish to play in the Fiesta Bowl in 1994 with a 6-4-1 record? Or get millions of dollars for simply showing up?

The advent of conference realignment has changed everything. Last month in Dallas, while the 11 conference commissioners met to begin historic change, Irish athletic director Jack Swarbrick may as well have been the commissioner of the MAC.


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At the end of the day, if the Irish finish in the Top 5 I'm pretty sure they'll be taken over a Conference Champion. To think that the Irish will be left out is laughable at best. All the more reason this playoff will be an 8 team one fairly quickly.
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(03-22-2012 11:48 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  Interesting take on Notre Dame's future standing in college football.


Not only will it be increasingly harder for the Irish to find a way to the Plus One without an unbeaten or 1-loss season (the last one: 1993), the days of the BCS placating the Irish could be all but over.

It wasn’t long ago that the BCS agreed to give Notre Dame $1.3 million a year just for the whiff of the potential that the Irish could actually qualify for a BCS bowl. That’s right, the renegotiated BCS contract in 2005 came with a rider that gave Notre Dame money just for being Notre Dame.

Those days, everyone, are long gone.

In years past, the Notre Dame athletic director was the strongest man in the room during BCS meetings. How else do you think the university carved out such unthinkable deals that allowed the Irish to play in the Fiesta Bowl in 1994 with a 6-4-1 record? Or get millions of dollars for simply showing up?

The advent of conference realignment has changed everything. Last month in Dallas, while the 11 conference commissioners met to begin historic change, Irish athletic director Jack Swarbrick may as well have been the commissioner of the MAC.


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(03-23-2012 03:02 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  At the end of the day, if the Irish finish in the Top 5 I'm pretty sure they'll be taken over a Conference Champion. To think that the Irish will be left out is laughable at best. All the more reason this playoff will be an 8 team one fairly quickly.




I wouldn't let the opinions and poor journalism of Matt Hayes worry you guys too much.

Where is the bad journalism or poor writing?


1) The other BCS games and related payouts won't go away with a plus 1 or whatever happens short of an 8 team playoff.

2) He says a ND team with 2 losses won't make a 4 team playoff. Um, yes? Is he saying a 2 loss OU or Michigan or FSU will? Maybe only in the oddest of seasons and with ND's schedule, ND would be in position in that scenario as well.

3) His article suggests ND doesn't have the pull of the SEC or Big11. While the Big11 is debatable, does that mean ND has the same sway as the Pac16, Big12, ACC, & BigEast? Not bad for a single school.

4) He mentions ND's QB competition without mentioning Everett Golson. That alone shows that he is lazy about his journalism and research.

Additionally, he acts like ND just gets $1.3MM every year from the BCS as a gift. What he fails to mention is that ND only gets $4.5MM now when they make the BCS versus the $17.5MM they used to get years ago.

The $1.3 million and $4.5 MM figures were a compromise between ND and the BCS. He fails to even mention that. Sloppy journalism, at best.

If Jim Delany is so strong why did he get his bluff called by both ND AD Jack Swarbrick and Texas AD DeLoss Dodds?

Additionally, there are standards for ND's inclusion in the BCS right now. They can't make the BCS with only 8 wins. So if the inclusion standards aren't repealed, how does ND's position grow weaker? What am I missing?

Now, there are a couple of ways that Notre Dame's position can be weakened:

First, would be the limit of two teams per conference being eliminated.

Second, requiring a conference championship for inclusion in a playoff.

Third, the creation of a playoff outside the current Bowl System, would result in less payouts per bowl. And, if the conferences split the playoff money, it will be a financial hit to ND.

We can argue all day whether either of these things will, or could, happen. But if #2 happens, ND will be forced to join a conference. #1 could result in less access to a possible BCS Bowl, but I doubt it affects ND too much as any ND team that qualifies would be taken ahead of the #3 team from any conference.


A playoff system that requires one to win a conference championship to be eligible would effectively shut out any of the current non-automatic qualifiers from any hope of playing for the national championship.

I don't see how, politically, they could get away with creating a new system that's actually more arbitrarily unfair than the system it is supposed to replace. Whatever future playoff/BCS iteration comes down the pike will likely have to preserve an at-large option for an outlier team to sneak into the four team playoff if they're ranked in the top four.

Take away this option and you make anti-trust attention from the Justice Department more likely rather than less likely.

It also doesn't allow for a situation wherein the two best teams in the country are from the same conference. There couldn't be a rematch if a conference championship is a requirement.

As long as that door (at large option) remains open, I think Notre Dame can stay independent indefinitely.

So, all in all, the article doesn't scare too many people in South Bend. There is serious doubt that a four team playoff involving only conference champs will evolve from the BCS.
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I think there's a decent chance that a 4-team playoff would be the highest-ranked conference champs only. Not saying it's right or wrong, only that it's a possibility. Will be interesting to see which way that one goes. After all, that rule only affects ND, and the odd case where the same conference has two of the four best teams.

If/when it evolves to an 8-team format, then it will obviously include at large bids, as the field gets wider.
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Oh! how the mighty have fallen.
Notre Dame's problem is that they are down and have no vehicle in which to get back up. Terry D is probably right in that the Irish will not be closed out of the national picture by the BCS or the NCAA.

But................since division play started in conferences, the emphasis has changed on the importance of OOC games. If Southern Cal loses to Notre Dame, but wins their division and championship game ....they still go to the Rose Bowl....the emphasis about the Notre Dame game is just not there anymore and will diminish for the Trojans over time.
The only way for the Irish to get the vehicle they need to ride back into the national limelight is to join a conference and compete for a conference chamionship. We all know it, all of the Notre Dame administrative people know it, even TerryD in his heart of hearts knows it.
But Notre Dame is Notre Dame and the college football world will give the Irish fans a little longer to wake up to the reality of the new paradigm.
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(03-23-2012 07:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  Oh! how the mighty have fallen.
Notre Dame's problem is that they are down and have no vehicle in which to get back up. Terry D is probably right in that the Irish will not be closed out of the national picture by the BCS or the NCAA.

But................since division play started in conferences, the emphasis has changed on the importance of OOC games. If Southern Cal loses to Notre Dame, but wins their division and championship game ....they still go to the Rose Bowl....the emphasis about the Notre Dame game is just not there anymore and will diminish for the Trojans over time.
The only way for the Irish to get the vehicle they need to ride back into the national limelight is to join a conference and compete for a conference chamionship. We all know it, all of the Notre Dame administrative people know it, even TerryD in his heart of hearts knows it.
But Notre Dame is Notre Dame and the college football world will give the Irish fans a little longer to wake up to the reality of the new paradigm.

+1 just for using the word "paradigm" in a blog about college football.
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(03-23-2012 07:28 AM)XLance Wrote:  Oh! how the mighty have fallen.
Notre Dame's problem is that they are down and have no vehicle in which to get back up. Terry D is probably right in that the Irish will not be closed out of the national picture by the BCS or the NCAA.

But................since division play started in conferences, the emphasis has changed on the importance of OOC games. If Southern Cal loses to Notre Dame, but wins their division and championship game ....they still go to the Rose Bowl....the emphasis about the Notre Dame game is just not there anymore and will diminish for the Trojans over time.
The only way for the Irish to get the vehicle they need to ride back into the national limelight is to join a conference and compete for a conference chamionship. We all know it, all of the Notre Dame administrative people know it, even TerryD in his heart of hearts knows it.
But Notre Dame is Notre Dame and the college football world will give the Irish fans a little longer to wake up to the reality of the new paradigm.

Says a fan of a school who has never won or done anything in football and just got hammered by the NCAA for rampant cheating? :)

No, in my heart of hearts, I don't think that ND will be joining a conference any time soon, nor do I think that it is necessary for ND to do so to get back to its former status.

Winning a ACC or Big East conference championship would do little to help regain that status. That would not be a big deal at all. It would barely register on the meter.

The "vehicle" to get back up to ND's former level requires ND to do what is necessary to hire the right coach who can win football games at Notre Dame.

A conference membership is not a requirement. Winning 10 or more football games is a requirement and that will solve ND's issues.

Brian Kelly had a nice window of opportunity, but he made some poor decisions the past two years that may have cost him his chance at ND.

If he had won 10 games the past two years instead of 8 (and those 2 wins were pissed away by Kelly), people like Matt Hayes (who hates ND with a passion) would not be able to write opinion pieces like this one.
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And all the Notre Dame "fans" say "blame it on the coach" again. If we just had a better coach who could push all of the right buttons and the right time, while maintaining all of the standards, and not changing anything about how we used to do it.
Jeez....a broken record.
I was trying to be nice, and you attack because I struck a nerve? I'm just trying to suggest a path that Notre Dame can return to what they once were, college football needs it. Change with the times and Notre Dame can be great again, or the Irish can keep on with a head in the sand and eventually whither away. It isn't always the coach's fault.
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The problem for ND is their relavence has passed, and their mystique has faded. When was the last time they competed for the national championship??? How old were current high school seniors when that happened??? The kids today didn't grow up watching ND roll off winning season after winning season, they grew up watching ND not make bowl games and lose the ones they did make. All that means is that the big recruits don't want to go to what they have watched their whole life as a losing program.

That is what keeps ND down and what will keep ND down.
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Really what is the incentive to the rest of the conferences. Which power conference is going to offer a spot to ND in place of their champ? Why would they?

ND whines about people trying to force them to do this or that or that they only are giving x much for inclusion in the BCS as opposed to a full conference share?

The arrogance is astounding at times. No mention of how the rest of college football is affected by the special deals cut for Notre Dame-just poor ND, why should we be "forced" blah blah blah.

ND can do what they want-always have, but it just might be others won't give them anything for nothing anymore-they'll have to earn it if they want it like everyone else.
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(03-23-2012 08:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  And all the Notre Dame "fans" say "blame it on the coach" again. If we just had a better coach who could push all of the right buttons and the right time, while maintaining all of the standards, and not changing anything about how we used to do it.
Jeez....a broken record.
I was trying to be nice, and you attack because I struck a nerve? I'm just trying to suggest a path that Notre Dame can return to what they once were, college football needs it. Change with the times and Notre Dame can be great again, or the Irish can keep on with a head in the sand and eventually whither away. It isn't always the coach's fault.

"Oh, how the mighty have fallen" was just you "trying to be nice"?

Sorry, I missed that subtle, gratuitous friendly gesture.

Yes, the astounding post-ND coaching successes of Bob Davie, Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis gives the lie to ND fans' belief that these were lazy, uninspired hires by an ND administration that values winning championships less than other things.

LSU and Alabama before Saban, Southern Cal before Carroll, Oklahoma before Stoops, Florida before Meyer and Ohio State before Tressel all show that hiring the right coach is not the most important ingredient to revive a down, traditional program, correct?

Buck, I don't give a damn about "the rest of college football". Neither do you. You only cared about WVU, not the Big East, during WVU's move to the Big 12.

There is nothing wrong with that. It is perfectly natural and understandable as a fan of that school.

Let's just all be honest about it. XLance just wants ND in the ACC to strengthen the confrerence that Carolina is in, not out of some altruistic motive to help ND or for "the good of the game".

Self interest rules the game, same as everything else in life.
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I say let ND rot, watching them lose to Navy brings joy to me that I can't explain.


Now that is the Alabama fan in me talking. 05-stirthepot
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(03-23-2012 09:27 AM)Usajags Wrote:  I say let ND rot, watching them lose to Navy brings joy to me that I can't explain.


Now that is the Alabama fan in me talking. 05-stirthepot


Are you channeling the spirit of The Bear, who never beat ND?05-stirthepot
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(03-23-2012 06:34 AM)TerryD Wrote:  A playoff system that requires one to win a conference championship to be eligible would effectively shut out any of the current non-automatic qualifiers from any hope of playing for the national championship.

I don't see how, politically, they could get away with creating a new system that's actually more arbitrarily unfair than the system it is supposed to replace. Whatever future playoff/BCS iteration comes down the pike will likely have to preserve an at-large option for an outlier team to sneak into the four team playoff if they're ranked in the top four.

Take away this option and you make anti-trust attention from the Justice Department more likely rather than less likely.

It also doesn't allow for a situation wherein the two best teams in the country are from the same conference. There couldn't be a rematch if a conference championship is a requirement.

As long as that door (at large option) remains open, I think Notre Dame can stay independent indefinitely.

So, all in all, the article doesn't scare too many people in South Bend. There is serious doubt that a four team playoff involving only conference champs will evolve from the BCS.

Well Terry, I'm going to cut out a small portion of what you have said thus far and focus on that. Whether or not Notre Dame is losing influence really isn't much of a concern to me and reading this thread thus far is like watching a remake of Custer's Last Stand. Very noble of you to take on all who would come to celebrate that article. I will stick to the comments about the system as a whole.


I disagree that a tournament of champions provides an even tougher route to the championship. An Institution would have to prove how it is more difficult now than before. Take a program like Boise State for instance. Before now they would have had to have had a perfect season to get even a whiff of the National Championship. Even then, perfect seasons from the bigger conferences would get in first. How is that system easier than a conference championship requirement? If they end up in the Big East and go undefeated it is very likely they are in the tournament. They could still get in with one loss. Looking at last year they would have been in such a tournament if they had a conference championship game for their conference. The two systems are actually very similar in the opportunity that is there. The difference is that the previous one was entirely up to opinions where as this one would be much more systematic and less prone to manipulation. Any lawyer could take that fact and blow apart any argument that a conference champion national championship tournament is more unfair to these other programs.

The Justice Department wouldn't jump in on a case where a very large majority of American Citizens that watch college football Approve of the new changes. Especially with such a highly volatile political climate in the country.

As far as having the best two teams in the country play in the national championship regardless of conference affiliation, really? I really did not expect that argument out of you Terry. We JUST saw how big of a failure that can be. I could see why some narrow minded folks might try to defend "Having the best two teams in the country play" but you? It is about ratings Terry, it is about money. A Notre Dame man such as yourself knows that. Besides, any statement of who are the very best two teams in the league is all opinion anyways and on any given day a team may play like the best team in the country or just a mediocre one. Take LSU for instance. Biased opinions should be taken out of the equation. That is what a tournament of conference champions gives us.


All that being said, I agree with you that Notre Dame will remain Independent and I have stated plenty of times the reasons why I believe that. Good luck in this thread Terry.
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(03-23-2012 11:13 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(03-23-2012 06:34 AM)TerryD Wrote:  A playoff system that requires one to win a conference championship to be eligible would effectively shut out any of the current non-automatic qualifiers from any hope of playing for the national championship.

I don't see how, politically, they could get away with creating a new system that's actually more arbitrarily unfair than the system it is supposed to replace. Whatever future playoff/BCS iteration comes down the pike will likely have to preserve an at-large option for an outlier team to sneak into the four team playoff if they're ranked in the top four.

Take away this option and you make anti-trust attention from the Justice Department more likely rather than less likely.

It also doesn't allow for a situation wherein the two best teams in the country are from the same conference. There couldn't be a rematch if a conference championship is a requirement.

As long as that door (at large option) remains open, I think Notre Dame can stay independent indefinitely.

So, all in all, the article doesn't scare too many people in South Bend. There is serious doubt that a four team playoff involving only conference champs will evolve from the BCS.

Well Terry, I'm going to cut out a small portion of what you have said thus far and focus on that. Whether or not Notre Dame is losing influence really isn't much of a concern to me and reading this thread thus far is like watching a remake of Custer's Last Stand. Very noble of you to take on all who would come to celebrate that article. I will stick to the comments about the system as a whole.


I disagree that a tournament of champions provides an even tougher route to the championship. An Institution would have to prove how it is more difficult now than before. Take a program like Boise State for instance. Before now they would have had to have had a perfect season to get even a whiff of the National Championship. Even then, perfect seasons from the bigger conferences would get in first. How is that system easier than a conference championship requirement? If they end up in the Big East and go undefeated it is very likely they are in the tournament. They could still get in with one loss. Looking at last year they would have been in such a tournament if they had a conference championship game for their conference. The two systems are actually very similar in the opportunity that is there. The difference is that the previous one was entirely up to opinions where as this one would be much more systematic and less prone to manipulation. Any lawyer could take that fact and blow apart any argument that a conference champion national championship tournament is more unfair to these other programs.

The Justice Department wouldn't jump in on a case where a very large majority of American Citizens that watch college football Approve of the new changes. Especially with such a highly volatile political climate in the country.

As far as having the best two teams in the country play in the national championship regardless of conference affiliation, really? I really did not expect that argument out of you Terry. We JUST saw how big of a failure that can be. I could see why some narrow minded folks might try to defend "Having the best two teams in the country play" but you? It is about ratings Terry, it is about money. A Notre Dame man such as yourself knows that. Besides, any statement of who are the very best two teams in the league is all opinion anyways and on any given day a team may play like the best team in the country or just a mediocre one. Take LSU for instance. Biased opinions should be taken out of the equation. That is what a tournament of conference champions gives us.


All that being said, I agree with you that Notre Dame will remain Independent and I have stated plenty of times the reasons why I believe that. Good luck in this thread Terry.


Thanks. I am usually alone in my opinions here, lol.

I am an old timer. I didn't/don't like the Alliance or the BCS and I won't like a playoff, even if ND is involved.

I liked the old AP and UPI polls governing the rankings and the mythical college football national champs, even when they said that "head to head games matter" in 1989 when Miami beat ND and "head to head games don't matter" in 1993 when ND beat Florida State but the polls voted to give FSU and Bobby Bowden the title.

So, my stance is not a "Notre Dame thing". I think that old system gave people a lot to debate and argue about. That created a lot of discussion, interest and fun.

I don't like conferences, any of them. I think that the bowl matchups and the intersectional rivalries were better then than now with a number of major independents, few conference bowl tie ins and teams from different regions playing each other in big time, national interest games.

I think that bigger conferences playing insular games mostly within that conference stifles those things. I would think that even if ND were in a conference for football and winning titles.

Yeah, I know that I am in a distinct minority and a dinosaur when it comes to this stuff. So it goes.
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(03-23-2012 11:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2012 11:13 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(03-23-2012 06:34 AM)TerryD Wrote:  A playoff system that requires one to win a conference championship to be eligible would effectively shut out any of the current non-automatic qualifiers from any hope of playing for the national championship.

I don't see how, politically, they could get away with creating a new system that's actually more arbitrarily unfair than the system it is supposed to replace. Whatever future playoff/BCS iteration comes down the pike will likely have to preserve an at-large option for an outlier team to sneak into the four team playoff if they're ranked in the top four.

Take away this option and you make anti-trust attention from the Justice Department more likely rather than less likely.

It also doesn't allow for a situation wherein the two best teams in the country are from the same conference. There couldn't be a rematch if a conference championship is a requirement.

As long as that door (at large option) remains open, I think Notre Dame can stay independent indefinitely.

So, all in all, the article doesn't scare too many people in South Bend. There is serious doubt that a four team playoff involving only conference champs will evolve from the BCS.

Well Terry, I'm going to cut out a small portion of what you have said thus far and focus on that. Whether or not Notre Dame is losing influence really isn't much of a concern to me and reading this thread thus far is like watching a remake of Custer's Last Stand. Very noble of you to take on all who would come to celebrate that article. I will stick to the comments about the system as a whole.


I disagree that a tournament of champions provides an even tougher route to the championship. An Institution would have to prove how it is more difficult now than before. Take a program like Boise State for instance. Before now they would have had to have had a perfect season to get even a whiff of the National Championship. Even then, perfect seasons from the bigger conferences would get in first. How is that system easier than a conference championship requirement? If they end up in the Big East and go undefeated it is very likely they are in the tournament. They could still get in with one loss. Looking at last year they would have been in such a tournament if they had a conference championship game for their conference. The two systems are actually very similar in the opportunity that is there. The difference is that the previous one was entirely up to opinions where as this one would be much more systematic and less prone to manipulation. Any lawyer could take that fact and blow apart any argument that a conference champion national championship tournament is more unfair to these other programs.

The Justice Department wouldn't jump in on a case where a very large majority of American Citizens that watch college football Approve of the new changes. Especially with such a highly volatile political climate in the country.

As far as having the best two teams in the country play in the national championship regardless of conference affiliation, really? I really did not expect that argument out of you Terry. We JUST saw how big of a failure that can be. I could see why some narrow minded folks might try to defend "Having the best two teams in the country play" but you? It is about ratings Terry, it is about money. A Notre Dame man such as yourself knows that. Besides, any statement of who are the very best two teams in the league is all opinion anyways and on any given day a team may play like the best team in the country or just a mediocre one. Take LSU for instance. Biased opinions should be taken out of the equation. That is what a tournament of conference champions gives us.


All that being said, I agree with you that Notre Dame will remain Independent and I have stated plenty of times the reasons why I believe that. Good luck in this thread Terry.


Thanks. I am usually alone in my opinions here, lol.

I am an old timer. I didn't/don't like the Alliance or the BCS and I won't like a playoff, even if ND is involved.

I liked the old AP and UPI polls governing the rankings and the mythical college football national champs, even when they said that "head to head games matter" in 1989 when Miami beat ND and "head to head games don't matter" in 1993 when ND beat Florida State but the polls voted to give FSU and Bobby Bowden the title.

So, my stance is not a "Notre Dame thing". I think that old system gave people a lot to debate and argue about. That created a lot of discussion, interest and fun.

I don't like conferences, any of them. I think that the bowl matchups and the intersectional rivalries were better then than now with a number of major independents, few conference bowl tie ins and teams from different regions playing each other in big time, national interest games.

I think that bigger conferences playing insular games mostly within that conference stifles those things. I would think that even if ND were in a conference for football and winning titles.

Yeah, I know that I am in a distinct minority and a dinosaur when it comes to this stuff. So it goes.

One thing I know I can agree with you on TerryD, is that Matt Hayes is an incompetent, lazy journalist. That's coming from someone with a degree in Journalism.
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(03-23-2012 11:49 AM)ringmaster Wrote:  
(03-23-2012 11:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  [quote='He1nousOne' pid='7721220' dateline='1332519215']
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One thing I know I can agree with you on TerryD, is that Matt Hayes is an incompetent, lazy journalist. That's coming from someone with a degree in Journalism.

I also find it interesting and ironic that he and many others continue to write article after article (and one message board thread after another) about how irrelevant ND is. That seems a bit self defeating of that thesis, no?
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Regardless if ND is loosing its luster and prestige, no way they get left out of a 4 team playoff if they finish undefeated.
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(03-23-2012 12:00 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I also find it interesting and ironic that he and many others continue to write article after article (and one message board thread after another) about how irrelevant ND is. That seems a bit self defeating of that thesis, no?

I think if one is to be intellectually honest then one cannot deny that Notre Dame has lost some relevance compared to others on the national stage. That does not mean that Notre Dame is irrelevant.

When you have national rivalries with USC, Michigan, Michigan State, Miami, Florida State and Navy one can hardly state that Notre Dame is irrelevant. Top that off with the fact that programs would line up to state their case as to why Notre Dame should play them if an opening in the Notre Dame schedule were to happen.

I would go so far as to say that perhaps Notre Dame hasn't lost much relevancy but that the rest of the programs around the country have been catching up and surpassing Notre Dame in the relevancy department.
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Notre Dame isn't going anywhere, EVERYONE in FBS conferences, which are BCS conferences, gets a share of BCS money... and 70% of the schools are LESSER than Notre Dame's program anyway... so as long as the system exists, they'll not only get a share of money, but have a route like any school.
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