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(03-14-2012 11:59 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Get over yourself, you act like FAU's entire program has always been what their football team was in 2011.

FAU bowls 2-0
FIU bowls 1-1
Head to head FAU 8-2

Without looking it up, I feel safe in assuming they probably hold at least a small advantage in basketball as well, at least in recent years anyhow.

Personally I think if one is taken by the Alliance, it's basically a coin flip and I think either would be just as likely to be successful in the Alliance as the other.

It's kind of funny that you think you guys have truly distinguishable programs to pretty much anyone outside of the Sun Belt or that either of you has a true advantage on the other, what's funnier is you're the one on the wrong end of the all time series and bowl records and FAU does have the nicer stadium and yet you're acting all indignant about someone saying they prefer FAU. Not saying you shouldn't stick up for your program, but don't act like he said he preferred Stetson over FIU, good grief.

You already know I agree with you. I think both schools are almost mirror's of each other. With lil differences here and there. Current Football records are most likely the VERY last thing a confrence is looking at.

FAU has owned FIU in football. I think all time basketball is alsmost a wash (Havent looked it up) with FAU dominating recently.

It wouldnt surprise me to see both FAU and FIU get an invite. If you want a Florida presence it just makes sense to snag both for travel and recruiting purposes. Whether it would be the best move for either school is up in the air.

Just not enough info out there on the Alliance.
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(03-15-2012 10:06 AM)OwlFamily Wrote:  
(03-14-2012 11:59 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Get over yourself, you act like FAU's entire program has always been what their football team was in 2011.
FAU bowls 2-0
FIU bowls 1-1
Head to head FAU 8-2
Without looking it up, I feel safe in assuming they probably hold at least a small advantage in basketball as well, at least in recent years anyhow.
Personally I think if one is taken by the Alliance, it's basically a coin flip and I think either would be just as likely to be successful in the Alliance as the other.
It's kind of funny that you think you guys have truly distinguishable programs to pretty much anyone outside of the Sun Belt or that either of you has a true advantage on the other, what's funnier is you're the one on the wrong end of the all time series and bowl records and FAU does have the nicer stadium and yet you're acting all indignant about someone saying they prefer FAU. Not saying you shouldn't stick up for your program, but don't act like he said he preferred Stetson over FIU, good grief.
You already know I agree with you. I think both schools are almost mirror's of each other. With lil differences here and there. Current Football records are most likely the VERY last thing a confrence is looking at.
FAU has owned FIU in football. I think all time basketball is alsmost a wash (Havent looked it up) with FAU dominating recently.
It wouldnt surprise me to see both FAU and FIU get an invite. If you want a Florida presence it just makes sense to snag both for travel and recruiting purposes. Whether it would be the best move for either school is up in the air.
Just not enough info out there on the Alliance.

The problem with your underlined statement is that you truly don't know the difference between the two institutions; and that's FAU's hope (i.e. keep copying FIU and hope nobody notices the difference).

However, if you've done just a little bit of research you could educate yourself:

Which university has been in the Sun Belt longer?

Which university announced the formation of football first?

Which university had an on-campus football stadium first (and is not in hock for $83 million for the next 40 years)?

Which university has a Law School?

Which university is buidling an on-campus Medical Complex (as opposed to poaching another schools medical program)?

Which university is growing to over 60,000 students?

Which university is in the 16th largest media market (and which is trying to blur those lines)?

I think you all know the answer to these questions, but hey, let's keep blurring those lines. There's only one school that benefits.
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I'm an outsider giving an outside perspective. Football is the driving force behind this conference expansion. Whether they will be making payments for 40 years or not, it is obvious FAU had stepped up to the plate in terms of football facilities.

We (Marshall) played you in a bowl game this year in your own back yard....how many fans did you bring?


This is an honest question, which school FAU or FIU has better academics. Whats enrollment like at both schools? I see you said you plan to grow to 60k students. Well how many do you have this year?
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(03-15-2012 11:25 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I'm an outsider giving an outside perspective. Football is the driving force behind this conference expansion. Whether they will be making payments for 40 years or not, it is obvious FAU had stepped up to the plate in terms of football facilities.
We (Marshall) played you in a bowl game this year in your own back yard....how many fans did you bring?
This is an honest question, which school FAU or FIU has better academics. Whats enrollment like at both schools? I see you said you plan to grow to 60k students. Well how many do you have this year?

Good questions and let me say it was a pleasure staying and sharing the same hotel with you guys in St. Pete. Good group of fans who traveled very well.

FIUFanatic is a better historian to answer your questions than I, however, I'll give them a shot in his absence.

1.) FAU has stepped up and built themselves an enviable stadium, but at what cost. As you saw last year and will see in years to come, they open with 3 or 4 bodybags in order to make their mortgage. How deflating is it to come home with 4 lopsided results...0-4 doesn't pack them in. So a vicious cycle may insue in order to pay for their beautiful stadium.

FIU, in contrast, plays their second year of home-and-home's with Louisville, UCF, Duke and Akron. There's hope here, vs. a trip to Oklahoma or Alabama every year to start out.

2.) Though I have heard nothing official, I think we brought around 10,000 fans to the B.O.B. in St. Pete. The announced crowd was just over 20,000 but it seemed like more.

3.) FIU's Law school just finished 2nd in a prestigious mock trial competition. And it's passage rate for the state bar exam has been first or second in the state for the past decade. The Accounting school is known as one of the best in the state as is the school of Architechture. Hospitiality Mgmt is number one in many national survey's but that's not saying as much given our location. Int'l Business is ranked in the top-20 nationally; and if you need more go the fiu.edu site or the wiki site.

4.) I think I heard that registration is currently in the 46,000 range. However, with a whole new medical complex coming on board you could see 3-4,000 there just in those associated new programs. Also don't forget that FIU has the largest feeder college in the country. Miami Dade College, with around 171,000 students, many of which aspire to a four year degree [they offer a couple of four year programs in teaching and nursing which allows them to now be called a college vs. a JUCO].

FAU I beleive is in the 27,000 range, however, I believe they are spread out over something like 9 different campuses from Boca or even Ft. Lauderdale to Ft. Pierce or Vero Beach. I'm sure the FAU fans can give you a better idea there.
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Whether they will be making payments for the next 30 years should be a consideration, because of how those payments would have to be made. Their projections have them making those payments from game guarantees and ticket sales. They couldn't even make the ticket sales projections during the inaugural stadium season. That's a problem, because that means MORE guarantee games (i.e. losses). We could upgrade our stadium by mortgaging our future, but we would rather host Rutgers, Duke, USF, UCF, Pitt, Texas A&M, Louisville, Akron (etc.) FIU's football schedule is full of 1 and 1's with those type of teams until 2014. So for all the inadequacies of our facilities it doesn't seem to be bothering the big boys.

As far as the bowl game, we brought about 8k - 10k fans to that game, would I have liked more, sure, but I'm not going to apologize for that. It was a decent showing and it will get better based on the performance of our team.

As far as academics, you can look them up, but outside of UF and FSU, we are the only public school in Florida with a Law School and a Medical School. We get more applicants, our admission rates are lower (more selective), our entering students GPA and test scores are higher. So I will leave it up to you to interpret that how you will.

Our 2011 Fall student body was 49K and our athletic budget at $26MM was about 40% higher than your favorite Florida school.

The moral of this story is this, could we upgrade our facilities by taking out huge debt and saddling ourselves with a large debt service and losing OOC records every year? SURE! But when our facilities are hosting the level of teams they are hosting without a problem and when the plan of building our stadium in phases is giving us more financial freedom, why would we? So that a few journalism majors can have a press box, No. Our AD is a smart guy and he is doing this the right way. He is establishing a winning program which is really what builds tradition. Ask Akron what a nice stadium does for your football team if you are not winning.

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(03-15-2012 11:25 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  I'm an outsider giving an outside perspective. Football is the driving force behind this conference expansion. Whether they will be making payments for 40 years or not, it is obvious FAU had stepped up to the plate in terms of football facilities.

We (Marshall) played you in a bowl game this year in your own back yard....how many fans did you bring?


This is an honest question, which school FAU or FIU has better academics. Whats enrollment like at both schools? I see you said you plan to grow to 60k students. Well how many do you have this year?
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Very good info and I appreciate it all. I have to admit you guys bring up some quality points that have shed some light on my ignorance of the situation.

49k students right now...WOW. The law and medical school are equal wows to me. Marshall does not have a law program as it is an uphill battle due to WVU wanting to be the only law school in the state. We have seen first hand how much a difference the law program can make.

8-10k fans for the BOB is not something to be ashamed of. I wasn't trying to knock you guys as I myself didn't make the trip. I therefore didn't have a clue as to how many ppl you guys brought.

I can see why FIU has decided to take the route you have chosen and actually could see how it could be more beneficial in the long run. I seriously do not see the benefit of the alliance in taking both of you guys, but its good to know that either choice is a good choice.

I also think it is fair to say that the alliance will in fact help whichever program(s) get in. Marshall hasn't benefited from CUSA due to our own probation issues and poor coaching hires. I wouldn't even want to imagine at where we'd currently be if we had never left the MAC.
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(03-14-2012 11:59 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-14-2012 05:06 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  
(03-14-2012 04:56 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  
(03-14-2012 03:54 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  
(03-14-2012 03:44 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  So the 1-11 record and 3rd worst attendance in the belt impressed you that much?

They do have a beautiful stadium and are in a great location though

Don't forget that the seats are colored as well.


Nah, but we would like to have a Florida school and FAU>FIU.

Sure, you seem to be one of those fans that like teams that will not be a challenge. Stadium aesthetics are obviously important to you so i see where you are going with this.

Get over yourself, you act like FAU's entire program has always been what their football team was in 2011.

FAU bowls 2-0
FIU bowls 1-1
Head to head FAU 8-2

Without looking it up, I feel safe in assuming they probably hold at least a small advantage in basketball as well, at least in recent years anyhow.

Personally I think if one is taken by the Alliance, it's basically a coin flip and I think either would be just as likely to be successful in the Alliance as the other.

It's kind of funny that you think you guys have truly distinguishable programs to pretty much anyone outside of the Sun Belt or that either of you has a true advantage on the other, what's funnier is you're the one on the wrong end of the all time series and bowl records and FAU does have the nicer stadium and yet you're acting all indignant about someone saying they prefer FAU. Not saying you shouldn't stick up for your program, but don't act like he said he preferred Stetson over FIU, good grief.

So you got all of that from 2 sentences?

Yeah, we are truly ashamed of only getting to 2 bowls games in 10 years of football and for winning more games each passing year. I also apologize for only 10k fans going to a 10 year old programs 2nd bowl game.

Can you do me a favor? Seen me a list of the types of posts that I can comment on.

Thanks much!
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(03-15-2012 09:42 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(03-15-2012 09:28 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(03-14-2012 07:37 PM)HERD-it-wuz-DJ Wrote:  Honestly, I think who ever from the SBC goes to the National Conference will benefit and grow tremendously.

LIE.

Your conference USA guys like to spin this statement so much. The truth of the matter is that playing in conference USA has not helped any of the teams who moved on it was just a door step conference.

SMU was very good in the past but was hit by harsh sanctions
Houston was very good in the past but was snubbed by politics
UCF was built in Orlando and that had nothing to do with conference USA
Memphis is Memphis and probably would have been making the tourney every year if they played in the SWAC.

Do you see the recurring fact here? The teams who are leaving were already established long before the Marshall's of the world joined. They were not "improved" by conference USA

I think that's wrong to say that C-USA didn't help those schools. Here's a question, how many programs that joined C-USA in the last expansion (Tulsa, Rice, Marshall, UCF, SMU, UTEP) are worse programs now than before they joined? The only one who you could say would be Marshall, and they had some probation and coaching issues. Tulsa, UCF, and SMU have grown leaps and bounds from where they were prior to joining, and Rice and UTEP have been better than they were historically. If 5 of the 6 are better for joining than they were previously C-USA must have done something right.

Just looking at CUSA alumni

Cincinnati. Never ranked in final poll until joined Big East. Three bowl appearances before five during, five after.

Louisville ranked three time before, twice as a member, twice since. Five bowl appearances before, 7 as a member, four since.

Army ranked 14 times before (most recent was 1996, entered in 1998). Four bowl appearances (84-96) before entering, zero as a member, one since.

TCU Nine bowl appearances before, two in the four years as a member, six after. 18 bowl appearances before (including the 3 seasons before joining), three apperances in CUSA, seven since.

UCF. One ranking came while in CUSA. Four bowl apperances all as a member. Note they posted four "bowl eligible" seasons as a member of the MAC or an independent including a 9-2 season where they stayed home prior to joining. In other words they had some success but no outlet.

Memphis. Only football ranking prior to CUSA one bowl appearance prior (note not that year they were ranked). No ranking in CUSA, five bowl appearances. We could look at basketball but they were clearly a very significant national program long before CUSA was thought up.

Houston. Ranked 15 times prior to CUSA (nine of those before joining SWC). Ranked once in CUSA. 12 bowl apperances before CUSA (5 of those before SWC), eight in CUSA.

SMU ranked 12 times prior to CUSA none since. 11 bowl apperances before CUSA, three since.

I would say the greater impact has been the NCAA decision to open up the number of bowl opportunities. In 1998 when UCF went 9-2 and stayed home there were only 44 slots in bowl games. In 1988 8-3 Louisville stayed home, there were only 34 slots for bowl teams that year. In 1970 independent Houston went 8-3 and stayed home. There were only 22 bowl slots that year.

Now there are 70 bowl slots.

Any of those schools likely would have done the same coming out of the old Big West, the MAC, WAC, or Sun Belt as they did coming out of CUSA because they won games and (except for SMU and of course Memphis football), they sold tickets and happened to be located in TV friendly markets.

CUSA didn't build them. They gave CUSA the cachet it has had. The Southern Conference didn't build Alabama and Auburn, they built themselves and outgrew the framework they were in.
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(03-15-2012 12:58 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-15-2012 09:42 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(03-15-2012 09:28 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(03-14-2012 07:37 PM)HERD-it-wuz-DJ Wrote:  Honestly, I think who ever from the SBC goes to the National Conference will benefit and grow tremendously.

LIE.

Your conference USA guys like to spin this statement so much. The truth of the matter is that playing in conference USA has not helped any of the teams who moved on it was just a door step conference.

SMU was very good in the past but was hit by harsh sanctions
Houston was very good in the past but was snubbed by politics
UCF was built in Orlando and that had nothing to do with conference USA
Memphis is Memphis and probably would have been making the tourney every year if they played in the SWAC.

Do you see the recurring fact here? The teams who are leaving were already established long before the Marshall's of the world joined. They were not "improved" by conference USA

I think that's wrong to say that C-USA didn't help those schools. Here's a question, how many programs that joined C-USA in the last expansion (Tulsa, Rice, Marshall, UCF, SMU, UTEP) are worse programs now than before they joined? The only one who you could say would be Marshall, and they had some probation and coaching issues. Tulsa, UCF, and SMU have grown leaps and bounds from where they were prior to joining, and Rice and UTEP have been better than they were historically. If 5 of the 6 are better for joining than they were previously C-USA must have done something right.

Just looking at CUSA alumni

Cincinnati. Never ranked in final poll until joined Big East. Three bowl appearances before five during, five after.

Louisville ranked three time before, twice as a member, twice since. Five bowl appearances before, 7 as a member, four since.

Army ranked 14 times before (most recent was 1996, entered in 1998). Four bowl appearances (84-96) before entering, zero as a member, one since.

TCU Nine bowl appearances before, two in the four years as a member, six after. 18 bowl appearances before (including the 3 seasons before joining), three apperances in CUSA, seven since.

UCF. One ranking came while in CUSA. Four bowl apperances all as a member. Note they posted four "bowl eligible" seasons as a member of the MAC or an independent including a 9-2 season where they stayed home prior to joining. In other words they had some success but no outlet.

Memphis. Only football ranking prior to CUSA one bowl appearance prior (note not that year they were ranked). No ranking in CUSA, five bowl appearances. We could look at basketball but they were clearly a very significant national program long before CUSA was thought up.

Houston. Ranked 15 times prior to CUSA (nine of those before joining SWC). Ranked once in CUSA. 12 bowl apperances before CUSA (5 of those before SWC), eight in CUSA.

SMU ranked 12 times prior to CUSA none since. 11 bowl apperances before CUSA, three since.

I would say the greater impact has been the NCAA decision to open up the number of bowl opportunities. In 1998 when UCF went 9-2 and stayed home there were only 44 slots in bowl games. In 1988 8-3 Louisville stayed home, there were only 34 slots for bowl teams that year. In 1970 independent Houston went 8-3 and stayed home. There were only 22 bowl slots that year.

Now there are 70 bowl slots.

Any of those schools likely would have done the same coming out of the old Big West, the MAC, WAC, or Sun Belt as they did coming out of CUSA because they won games and (except for SMU and of course Memphis football), they sold tickets and happened to be located in TV friendly markets.

CUSA didn't build them. They gave CUSA the cachet it has had. The Southern Conference didn't build Alabama and Auburn, they built themselves and outgrew the framework they were in.

I think you are vastly underrating the help C-USA gave to several of these programs. It's easy to post history of SMU like they were a great program before they joined C-USA, but how had they done in the years post death penalty up to joining C-USA? They made zero bowl games and were one of the worst programs in college football. Houston had fallen on hard times after the fall of the SWC and C-USA provided a stable home for them. Also you didn't really answer my question, I asked of the additions after the last raid which of them are in worse shape then before they joined?
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This conversation is so old and boring. FAU fans think our school is better....FIU fans think their school is better...yawn.

About the stadium. FAU now has to pay off the stadium. OK, fine....and? We needed a stadium badly and the school came up with a plan to pay for it. It's not like they approved a plan that would cripple the program with debt. They developed the best, most workable plan for them...and it took them YEARS to do it, so it's not like they jumped into this deal on a whim. I just don't see why this matters to anyone except the accountants at FAU. There is more then one way to get a stadium built. FIU went more for a conservative approach, building their place in sections. It's a perfectly functional stadium, but even FIU fans have to admit that it is not much to look at. FAU decided it was better for them to build it the way they wanted it the first time instead of going piece by piece. You end up paying for it now or you pay for it later anyway. Our stadium and the dorms they they have built around it are impressive and is a major plus for the progam and the entire University. It's a selling point, not only for football recruits but for every potential student. That is important for a school that is trying to become a more traditional campus. Just because it's not what FIU did, doesn't mean we did it the wrong way.

Also, without getting too much into this argument over what school is better (which is kind of silly, because in all honesty, now that I have graduated and am employed, I really don't care all that much...so long as we win on the field I'm happy...haha), one of the FIU posters said we are poaching another school's medical program and that is not true. FAU's medical program separated from UM a few years back and we have our own medical school. I don't know much about it other then I think it's currently in it's 2nd year.
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(03-15-2012 12:39 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Very good info and I appreciate it all. I have to admit you guys bring up some quality points that have shed some light on my ignorance of the situation.
49k students right now...WOW. The law and medical school are equal wows to me. Marshall does not have a law program as it is an uphill battle due to WVU wanting to be the only law school in the state. We have seen first hand how much a difference the law program can make.
8-10k fans for the BOB is not something to be ashamed of. I wasn't trying to knock you guys as I myself didn't make the trip. I therefore didn't have a clue as to how many ppl you guys brought.
I can see why FIU has decided to take the route you have chosen and actually could see how it could be more beneficial in the long run. I seriously do not see the benefit of the alliance in taking both of you guys, but its good to know that either choice is a good choice.
I also think it is fair to say that the alliance will in fact help whichever program(s) get in. Marshall hasn't benefited from CUSA due to our own probation issues and poor coaching hires. I wouldn't even want to imagine at where we'd currently be if we had never left the MAC.

We have a thorn in our side down here as well; who has basically fought our creation and growth tooth and nail every step of the way. Yet here we are and they are fighting allegtions of impropriety at every turn (but that's a story for another day).

Keep plugging away for those advanced programs and maybe we'll get a rematch somewhere next year. 04-cheers
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(03-15-2012 01:17 PM)fauowls561 Wrote:  This conversation is so old and boring. FAU fans think our school is better....FIU fans think their school is better...yawn.
About the stadium. FAU now has to pay off the stadium. OK, fine....and? We needed a stadium badly and the school came up with a plan to pay for it. It's not like they approved a plan that would cripple the program with debt. They developed the best, most workable plan for them...and it took them YEARS to do it, so it's not like they jumped into this deal on a whim. I just don't see why this matters to anyone except the accountants at FAU. There is more then one way to get a stadium built. FIU went more for a conservative approach, building their place in sections. It's a perfectly functional stadium, but even FIU fans have to admit that it is not much to look at. FAU decided it was better for them to build it the way they wanted it the first time instead of going piece by piece. You end up paying for it now or you pay for it later anyway. Our stadium and the dorms they they have built around it are impressive and is a major plus for the progam and the entire University. It's a selling point, not only for football recruits but for every potential student. That is important for a school that is trying to become a more traditional campus. Just because it's not what FIU did, doesn't mean we did it the wrong way.
Also, without getting too much into this argument over what school is better (which is kind of silly, because in all honesty, now that I have graduated and am employed, I really don't care all that much...so long as we win on the field I'm happy...haha), one of the FIU posters said we are poaching another school's medical program and that is not true. FAU's medical program separated from UM a few years back and we have our own medical school. I don't know much about it other then I think it's currently in it's 2nd year.

I don't begrudge you your new stadium as a matter of fact you were desperate to have something other than Lockhart, which was a real difficulty in more ways than one.

As far as your medical school is concerned, let me enlighten you a bit. FAU and UM decided to jointly run a medical program at nearly the exact same time FIU was lobbying and receiving approval for its medical school. Was the idea for UM to help you get it started all along, circumventing the state legislature, (wouldn't be surprised if UM would collude to do something like that) or did FAU really send them away and tell UM they could do it themsleves. Either way the school did not go through any legislative process. FIU, on the other hand, fought in the legislature for over a decade and when we finally started getting real close UCF jumped in and brought in the additional needed votes to get us over the top....if they could have one too.

FIU did all the leg work, provided all the surveys, paid for all the studies as to how the m.d. profession was aging, how locally trained doctors were not remaining in the community, how the poor were being underserved outside of the Jackson Memorial area, what kind of economic impacts the facility would generate, etc., etc.

So yes, poaching or being handed a medical program outside the rigors of the legislature is not the same as having a fully funded, state sanctioned medical complex on campus....there's really no comparison here.
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OK...and this matters now why? I don't know the story behind the program and honestly, I don't really care all that much (and I'm not really sure why you care either...do you work for the FIU medical program?). The bottom line here is that regardless of how it came to be, the medical school exists and is educating students...that's the important part. If you don't like the way it was founded, I don't know what to tell you...don't attend the program or don't ever go to a doctor who graduated from there, I guess.

This is why this part of this debate always bothers me. I don't ever disparage another school's academics. Every school exists to serve their community and both FAU and FIU both do that job well. Each school is better or worse than the other in certain areas, but both offer quality educations. What I care to discuss is the athletic programs. That's the fun part and now that's what personally matters to me most these days.
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Bitterness... Im an FIU alum and the schools are the same. Pretty much all schools in FLA are the same (UCF, USF, FIU & FAU). Then you have the older schools like UF & FSU - The school in the gables doesn't count as it is private.

For the most part it boils down to the maturation of the football program.
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(03-15-2012 08:13 PM)fiuphan Wrote:  Bitterness... Im an FIU alum and the schools are the same. Pretty much all schools in FLA are the same (UCF, USF, FIU & FAU). Then you have the older schools like UF & FSU - The school in the gables doesn't count as it is private.

For the most part it boils down to the maturation of the football program.

Couldn't agree more.
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See FlyHawk, this is what happens when you don't meet your own "conservative" projections....

FAU wants to hike student fee to help pay for stadium

Quote:FAU wants to up the athletic fee it charges students 5 percent, from $16.45 per credit hour to $17.27.

Why? Well, in the loan agreement for the stadium, there is a stipulation that 5 percent of the student athletic fee collected each fiscal year will now go toward paying off the debt.

So the hike has been proposed to offset that commitment. Details are here.

It was hoped that the stadium would change that, but given the attendance in year one, that does not look like it will happen.

But how much more can you squeeze out of students, who are looking at yet another tuition hike?


(03-15-2012 12:39 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Very good info and I appreciate it all. I have to admit you guys bring up some quality points that have shed some light on my ignorance of the situation.

49k students right now...WOW. The law and medical school are equal wows to me. Marshall does not have a law program as it is an uphill battle due to WVU wanting to be the only law school in the state. We have seen first hand how much a difference the law program can make.

8-10k fans for the BOB is not something to be ashamed of. I wasn't trying to knock you guys as I myself didn't make the trip. I therefore didn't have a clue as to how many ppl you guys brought.

I can see why FIU has decided to take the route you have chosen and actually could see how it could be more beneficial in the long run. I seriously do not see the benefit of the alliance in taking both of you guys, but its good to know that either choice is a good choice.

I also think it is fair to say that the alliance will in fact help whichever program(s) get in. Marshall hasn't benefited from CUSA due to our own probation issues and poor coaching hires. I wouldn't even want to imagine at where we'd currently be if we had never left the MAC.
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(04-18-2012 12:52 PM)FIU Panther Fan Wrote:  See FlyHawk, this is what happens when you don't meet your own "conservative" projections....

FAU wants to hike student fee to help pay for stadium

Quote:FAU wants to up the athletic fee it charges students 5 percent, from $16.45 per credit hour to $17.27.

Why? Well, in the loan agreement for the stadium, there is a stipulation that 5 percent of the student athletic fee collected each fiscal year will now go toward paying off the debt.

So the hike has been proposed to offset that commitment. Details are here.

It was hoped that the stadium would change that, but given the attendance in year one, that does not look like it will happen.

But how much more can you squeeze out of students, who are looking at yet another tuition hike?


(03-15-2012 12:39 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Very good info and I appreciate it all. I have to admit you guys bring up some quality points that have shed some light on my ignorance of the situation.

49k students right now...WOW. The law and medical school are equal wows to me. Marshall does not have a law program as it is an uphill battle due to WVU wanting to be the only law school in the state. We have seen first hand how much a difference the law program can make.

8-10k fans for the BOB is not something to be ashamed of. I wasn't trying to knock you guys as I myself didn't make the trip. I therefore didn't have a clue as to how many ppl you guys brought.

I can see why FIU has decided to take the route you have chosen and actually could see how it could be more beneficial in the long run. I seriously do not see the benefit of the alliance in taking both of you guys, but its good to know that either choice is a good choice.

I also think it is fair to say that the alliance will in fact help whichever program(s) get in. Marshall hasn't benefited from CUSA due to our own probation issues and poor coaching hires. I wouldn't even want to imagine at where we'd currently be if we had never left the MAC.

Ouch,
Hiking student fees to keep up with Jones and FAU would have highest fees of all schools playing football.
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