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Conference USA - Two man race for Player of the Year
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RE: Conference USA - Two man race for Player of the Year
Cam's been putting up amazing numbers but I think UAB's record is going to hurt him. Barton is the best player on the best team and will win POY hands down I believe.
02-26-2012 12:07 AM
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RE: Conference USA - Two man race for Player of the Year
(02-26-2012 12:07 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Cam's been putting up amazing numbers but I think UAB's record is going to hurt him. Barton is the best player on the best team and will win POY hands down I believe.

Yep!
02-26-2012 12:09 AM
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RE: Conference USA - Two man race for Player of the Year
I would vote Barton between those two right now. Cam has had some nights he didn't show up like I thought he should.
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RE: Conference USA - Two man race for Player of the Year
(02-26-2012 12:09 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 12:07 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Cam's been putting up amazing numbers but I think UAB's record is going to hurt him. Barton is the best player on the best team and will win POY hands down I believe.

Yep!

agree, as well
02-26-2012 09:10 AM
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RE: Conference USA - Two man race for Player of the Year
(02-26-2012 09:08 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  I would vote Barton between those two right now. Cam has had some nights he didn't show up like I thought he should.

I would vote for Cam because I am a UAB fan. But I think Barton would win.
02-26-2012 09:13 AM
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RE: Conference USA - Two man race for Player of the Year
Cam for me. He's playing out of position and still carrying a team.
02-26-2012 09:14 AM
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RE: Conference USA - Two man race for Player of the Year
I don't think Cam has had many games where he didn't show up. He's had 12 double double this year, and 5 other games where he was one rebound away from a double double. The 2nd Memphis game was a debacle for him. He wasn't great in the VCU game. Even the games that look so-so like Creighton and UTM he had a bunch of blocks in. I think he's been about as consistent as it gets in college basketball.

And just for comparison's sake, here are some of Barton's poor games:
Michigan- 9 pts, 4 rebounds 3-12
Tennessee- 10 pts, 4 rebounds, 2 assists 4-13
Rice- 9 pts, 8 rebounds, 4 assists 2-8
UTEP- 9 pts, 5 reounds, 3 assists 3-9

I still think it's Barton's award to lose, but if we win out and finish 3rd in the conference, Cam's chances will be significantly better than we thought they were about a month ago.
02-26-2012 09:52 AM
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I hope Cam wind but if I had a vote I would vote for the person who I thought deserved it more instead of who I root for. It's called being objective. You also should look at how a player does defensively as well. It's the player of the year, not offensive or defensive player of the year. It's the total package. Cam has thrown together better defensive games than he gets credit for and he has had some that were pretty mediocre. It doesn't matter, none of us have a vote.

Again I hope Cam wins it.
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RE: Conference USA - Two man race for Player of the Year
I would vote for Barton as well because he plays on the team that has had a significantly better season. I was just pointing out Barton has had some rough games. And if you really want to get technical, Cam's man to man defense isn't going to be questioned when people vote for this award. The voters will look at blocks and steals, but I really doubt they look at his half court defense on film.(and look at great college players like J.J. Redick, Tyler Hansbrough, Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, etc. they weren't winning awards for defense) It may say player of the year on the award, but we all know stats are looked at by voters. The guys are close statistically, and that's the reason I'd give the award to Barton. I still think Cam has had a very consistent season for us.
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(02-26-2012 09:52 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I don't think Cam has had many games where he didn't show up. He's had 12 double double this year, and 5 other games where he was one rebound away from a double double. The 2nd Memphis game was a debacle for him. He wasn't great in the VCU game. Even the games that look so-so like Creighton and UTM he had a bunch of blocks in. I think he's been about as consistent as it gets in college basketball.

And just for comparison's sake, here are some of Barton's poor games:
Michigan- 9 pts, 4 rebounds 3-12
Tennessee- 10 pts, 4 rebounds, 2 assists 4-13
Rice- 9 pts, 8 rebounds, 4 assists 2-8
UTEP- 9 pts, 5 reounds, 3 assists 3-9

I still think it's Barton's award to lose, but if we win out and finish 3rd in the conference, Cam's chances will be significantly better than we thought they were about a month ago.

Barton went up against much tougher competition to get those numbers. I think he's got a decent shot of making one of the All-American teams. I actually think it maybe a unanimous decision.
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RE: Conference USA - Two man race for Player of the Year
I'd vote against Barton, early and often, just for his on-court demeanor.
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RE: Conference USA - Two man race for Player of the Year
Cam's blocks and rebounding are defensive stats, even if you have offensive rebounds, the stat is still a defensive stat.

Bartons stats are some what similar to Cams in that his stats are offensive, scoring and assists, where Cams are defensive, rebounding and blocks. They both score, they both rebounds, one blocks shots the other hands out assists.

I believe the POY is a MVP award based on which player impacts the play of his team and the league. Which player the team could not afford to lose.

Memphis could survive losing Barton just like they are doing now with out the injured 5 star player, who name I can't recall now.

So what is the difference between the two players I believe it depends on whether you like offensive or defensive basketball, but also what is the ratio difference between Cams assist stats and Bartons blocks stats.

I would vote for Cam, he scores, rebounds, blocks shots, assist, screens, and demand a double team in most games.

Do he make his team and the league better, I believe so. could the team afford to lose his play and still be successful ( even at 13-14 ) NO!

As the PPOY has Cam lived up to the preseason opinions of the 12 Coaches in CUSA, and here is the big one, with Memphis, UCF, SMU and Houston headed to the Little east, are there 8 coaches in CUSA, who will vote for Barton.

Cam CUSA POY he makes his team better.
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(02-26-2012 11:02 AM)58-56 Wrote:  I'd vote against Barton, early and often, just for his on-court demeanor.

I don't know if any of you guys saw it on TV while our game was on, but Peter Brady had to run out on the court and break up another fight yesterday.
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(02-26-2012 09:08 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  I would vote Barton between those two right now. Cam has had some nights he didn't show up like I thought he should.

I have not followed either player from game to game, but it is possible a Barton fan might say the same thing about him if asked.
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(02-26-2012 03:20 PM)FNblazer Wrote:  
(02-26-2012 11:02 AM)58-56 Wrote:  I'd vote against Barton, early and often, just for his on-court demeanor.

I don't know if any of you guys saw it on TV while our game was on, but Peter Brady had to run out on the court and break up another fight yesterday.

That's how he gets his exercise. He has to do that almost every other game. Apparently according to empty.org, some of Joe Jackson's family came down onto the floor as well during the scuffle.
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Announcers said they went after the Memphis assistant coach that was restraining Jackson.
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(02-26-2012 04:59 PM)Jball Wrote:  Announcers said they went after the Memphis assistant coach that was restraining Jackson.

Yeah, the video on empty.org shows the foul, which was a hard foul. Jackson is slammed to the ground on a breakaway. He gets up fighting. Pastner runs on the floor to restrain his players. The Memphis strenghth coach also pulls Jackson out of the crowd. Jackson pushes the strenghth coach and a fan comes down out of the stands and grabs the strenghth coach, but then backs down when he realizes that this is the STRENGTH coach. Some have said it was Jackson's uncle.

The video also shows Jackson shoving Pastner out of the way when Pastner was in his face and Pastner going ballistic, which I believe led to the confrontation between Will Barton and Pastner.

I am so going to miss this team in CUSA.
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Barton and Jackson cant seem to stay out of trouble.
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It was more than a hard foul...it was a hard foul then pushed to the floor. Jackson does have a temper when he believe he is being attacked and that will hopefully change as he matures. What trouble has Barton and Jackson been in maybe I missed it?
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