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RE: MWC/CUSA map
(01-20-2012 08:23 AM)PATiger Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 07:20 AM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 06:17 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  
(01-19-2012 10:04 PM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Sorry but FIU/FAU doesn't help at all in terms of geography.


I thought we established that there is no remedy for this, save maybe ODU.

Unless the ACC or Big East picks up ECU, you guys are pretty much stuck. There just isn't an answer for ECU's problem, it is what it is.

I think the big thing for ECU in terms of geography is not so much a team very close by but an east coast time zone team that could be flown to in two or three hours. I think that means in the mid atlantic geography zone so that is why alot of ECU fans talk about Temple, ODU, or etc.

A charter flight from Greenville, NC (ECU) to Miami, FL (FIU) would take approximately an hour and a half.

To give you even more perspective, ECU to El Paso is three and a half hours.

I should have included FIU b/c it is the same as Temple, ODU, Ga State, and probably even Ohio as far a quick flight. FIU is just not in the mid atlantic region and I guess neither is Ohip but it could make for easy trips to Marshall and Ohio for team sports.

In regards to your second statement, flying back from El Paso to ECU where you lose hours in the time change is what really hurts classroom time on that end of the travel.
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RE: MWC/CUSA map
(01-20-2012 08:50 AM)Its The Talons Wrote:  
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(01-20-2012 08:26 AM)Its The Talons Wrote:  I'd be all for adding LaTech and Georgia State, not sure on the third team.

This sounds really stupid but I like the sounds of those 2 school names along with Ohio University and Arkansas State a lot better than FIU/FAU.

Who are better options? I don't care for FIU/FAU at all. Temple? Old Dominion?

I agree 100% on FIU/FAU, Florida is just about completely saturated and they don't fill any gaps at all since they're at the tip of FL. Temple isn't realistic and I don't care for spreading the conference into the Northeast personally. I'm really on the fence about ODU. Lots of potential there but almost too close for comfort to ECU's recruiting base. I'm really warming up to the idea of GSU, LTU and Ohio/Toledo/Ark St/WKU (4 way tossup if we need a 3rd). In my opinion GSU is about all ECU can ask for that benefits us without hurting our program recruiting.

I'd almost like to just see CUSA expand on their own, no merger by adding GSU (Atlanta), LTU, Toledo (Ohio U has weak market), Ark St, Temple (Philly), ODU (Norfolk) and NIU (Chicago). That would be 16 schools adding big markets + WAC FB champ, SBC FB champ and MAC FB champ. It's also probably not very realistic and I'm backpedaling on my previous ODU comment. LOL.
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RE: MWC/CUSA map
(01-20-2012 09:24 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 08:50 AM)Its The Talons Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 08:48 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 08:26 AM)Its The Talons Wrote:  I'd be all for adding LaTech and Georgia State, not sure on the third team.

This sounds really stupid but I like the sounds of those 2 school names along with Ohio University and Arkansas State a lot better than FIU/FAU.

Who are better options? I don't care for FIU/FAU at all. Temple? Old Dominion?

I agree 100% on FIU/FAU, Florida is just about completely saturated and they don't fill any gaps at all since they're at the tip of FL. Temple isn't realistic and I don't care for spreading the conference into the Northeast personally. I'm really on the fence about ODU. Lots of potential there but almost too close for comfort to ECU's recruiting base. I really warming up to the idea of GSU, LTU and Ohio/Ark St/WKU (tossup if we need a 3rd). In my opinion GSU is about all ECU can ask for that benefits us without huring our program recruiting.

I agree with everything you just posted.
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RE: MWC/CUSA map
(01-20-2012 09:24 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 08:50 AM)Its The Talons Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 08:48 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 08:26 AM)Its The Talons Wrote:  I'd be all for adding LaTech and Georgia State, not sure on the third team.

This sounds really stupid but I like the sounds of those 2 school names along with Ohio University and Arkansas State a lot better than FIU/FAU.

Who are better options? I don't care for FIU/FAU at all. Temple? Old Dominion?

I agree 100% on FIU/FAU, Florida is just about completely saturated and they don't fill any gaps at all since they're at the tip of FL. Temple isn't realistic and I don't care for spreading the conference into the Northeast personally. I'm really on the fence about ODU. Lots of potential there but almost too close for comfort to ECU's recruiting base. I really warming up to the idea of GSU, LTU and Ohio/Ark St/WKU (tossup if we need a 3rd). In my opinion GSU is about all ECU can ask for that benefits us without huring our program recruiting.

I like ODU more than GSU, but GSU would be fine with me too. GSU is in a bigger market, but Atlanta could be the most over saturated college football market in the country. You have Georgia Tech also in ATL, with UGA really close, and then massive fanbases of pretty much every SEC team. Add in an NFL team, an NBA team, and then the big city excuse of too much to do in the area and I am just concerned they would be lost in the shuffle. ODU is in the largest market in the country that doesn't have a pro sports team. They are also isolated from the other large state universities. They have a large football fanbase already, having a waiting list for season tickets in the thousands. I think they could fill a 40k stadium in short order in C-USA. My only issue with them is they have so much going for them and so much potential to grow quickly that they could pass us by and get picked up by the NBE, but I am not going to support lesser candidates just because of that potential fear.
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Yeah but ATL is massive compared to Tidewater VA. ECU can already get plenty of guys from VA without traveling 2.5 hours north to ODU. GUS on the other hand helps kick the door open to GA. We're picking up steam in recruiting GA. There's a lot of talent down there and GSU's facilities are way ahead of ODU's overall. Their stadium (GA dome, literally on campus) could possibly lead to a bowl tie in. You never know. ODU is at max capacity right now and I haven't seen anything concrete about an expansion plan.
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(01-20-2012 09:40 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Yeah but ATL is massive compared to Tidewater VA. ECU can already get plenty of guys from VA without traveling 2.5 hours north to ODU. GUS on the other hand helps kick the door open to GA. We're picking up steam in recruiting GA. There's a lot of talent down there and GSU's facilities are way ahead of ODU's overall. Their stadium (GA dome, literally on campus) could possibly lead to a bowl tie in. You never know. ODU is at max capacity right now and I haven't seen anything concrete about an expansion plan.

I don't have a huge problem with adding GSU, and think they would be a quality add, I just think ODU has the better long term potential. Also ODU's other facilities besides football are as nice as anyone in C-USA right now. They need to expand their football stadium for sure, but by having a smaller stadium they have created demand for season tickets that has caused a large waiting list. GSU playing in the Dome makes buying season tickets not necessary, meaning their attendance is going to completely be determined season to season based on how good the team is. I think ODU would open up VA a little bit more for us too because we could say we will be playing in VA every other year. I think ODU is the only candidate who has fanbase potential to grow to our size. None of the other schools ever realistically could get there.
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As we all know attendance doesn't count for crap in realignment. That's why I can't hold that against GSU. We can all make jokes about it but it doesn't seem to matter at all.
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From the ECU perspective, if you are going to move up a DIA team, there are pros and cons for both ODU and GSU. They share alot of the same pros and cons. I guess it comes down to ODU being close can be both good and bad for ECU so we just have decide if their closeness produces more good or more bad. I think it would produce more bad and I doubt our teams would even bus up there so why not go with GSU then?

Any truth to what was posted in the other thread (in smackboard now) that Temple might joing the merger if Ohio came with them? If Ohio is in a different tv market than Marshall (like Columbus), I could see that happening and would give ECU 3 teams in the eastern time zone (4 including ECU for the merger in eastern time zone).
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We could just always add Temple FB only, move UTEP west, and have 9 FB members on each side and 8 all sports on each side. If you are going to have one FB only on one side of this you might as well have one on both sides. Temple isn't likely to leave the A10, but if you let them stay they probably would be willing to join.
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RE: MWC/CUSA map
(01-20-2012 09:15 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 09:05 AM)PATiger Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 09:02 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I agree that's where the core of the conference is, but at some point the outliers (us and Marshall) have to have someone added closer to us. There is a whole list of teams that it could be. ODU, JMU, MTSU, WKU, Temple, Delaware, or Ohio are all possibilities.

Temple is the only good choice in that list.

Temple is also the only one on that list who would likely say no. At some point someone has to be added somewhere on the east coast, and I know you will say one of the F_U's and those don't help us they aren't even closer to us than UAB, USM, or Memphis. ODU is the best choice by a landslide. Good market, good basketball, and a football fanbase that is ready to explode. They have more upside than any potential candidate. They need to expand their stadium, but they sell more season tickets at the FCS level than anyone outside of us in C-USA right now.

I like ODU, but the knock against them is that they're still FCS. I'd take them, GSU, UTSA, and Charlotte but they all play FCS.

FIU plays FBS. They've been in two bowls in the last three years. They're in a HUGE market, and they help out with Florida recruiting. They play excellent baseball too.
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If we have to add new members, surely all of us realize that admitting FCS level schools is a risk. They've not proven that they can play at the FBS level or even sustain a budget that would support that level.

There are better choices.

Unfortunately those better choices don't help ECU's travel issues, and I fully understand why ECU would like to have some relief.
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(01-20-2012 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  We could just always add Temple FB only, move UTEP west, and have 9 FB members on each side and 8 all sports on each side. If you are going to have one FB only on one side of this you might as well have one on both sides. Temple isn't likely to leave the A10, but if you let them stay they probably would be willing to join.

I'd be fine with that. I like balance.
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(01-20-2012 10:17 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  We could just always add Temple FB only, move UTEP west, and have 9 FB members on each side and 8 all sports on each side. If you are going to have one FB only on one side of this you might as well have one on both sides. Temple isn't likely to leave the A10, but if you let them stay they probably would be willing to join.

I'd be fine with that. I like balance.

You could then play 2 to 4 crossover basketball games depending on if we would rather have a 16 or 18 game conference schedule. Allows for a little interaction between the 2 sides regular season without going overboard on it.
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(01-20-2012 10:15 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  If we have to add new members, surely all of us realize that admitting FCS level schools is a risk. They've not proven that they can play at the FBS level or even sustain a budget that would support that level.

To be fair GSU and ODU have bigger athletic budgets than several members of CUSA.
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(01-20-2012 10:15 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  If we have to add new members, surely all of us realize that admitting FCS level schools is a risk. They've not proven that they can play at the FBS level or even sustain a budget that would support that level.

There are better choices.

Unfortunately those better choices don't help ECU's travel issues, and I fully understand why ECU would like to have some relief.

Of the FCS schools, ODU has the biggest athletic budget at $29,048,014.00 for the 2009-2010 year. In fact, they have a bigger athletic budget than several FBS teams that are being discussed.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/n...nances.htm

In comparison:

Memphis - $39,520,842.00
ECU - $30,473,691.00
UTEP - $26,614,312.00
Marhall - $25,678,598.00
UAB - $23,839,180.00
Southern Miss - $19,641,550.00


FIU - $22,509,591.00
MTSU - $20,800,017.00
UNT- $17,105,046.00
La Tech - $16,481,887.00
App State - $16,185,310.00
FAU - $15,208,667.00
ASU - $13,332,956.00
UTSA - $12,948,900.00
ULL - $12,357,621.00

(01-20-2012 10:42 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Actual GSU and ODU have bigger athletic budgets than several members of CUSA.

You're right on ODU but not on GSU.

GSU - $17,195,830.00
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(01-20-2012 10:42 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  
(01-20-2012 10:15 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  If we have to add new members, surely all of us realize that admitting FCS level schools is a risk. They've not proven that they can play at the FBS level or even sustain a budget that would support that level.

There are better choices.

Unfortunately those better choices don't help ECU's travel issues, and I fully understand why ECU would like to have some relief.
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Actual GSU and ODU have bigger athletic budgets than several members of CUSA.

Yeah their budgets aren't the issue. I think both are better candidates than the majority of FBS teams we are looking at. Just the stigma of adding an FCS team hurts them. If both were currently in the Sun Belt I'd bet both would be at or near the top of everyones wish list.
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(01-19-2012 07:21 PM)PATiger Wrote:  Here is a map of the 17 teams left behind in the MWC and CUSA, assuming no additions or deletions.

From MT.org:

[Image: logomerger_map.jpg]

Looking at the map and then at your sig, I had a difficult time concentrating on the map. But, having seen at least a glimpse of the map, I can see reasonably regional conferences forming in a couple of areas. The one that would benefit UTEP, if these plans were to fall apart, would be the area from UTEP north. Just look how nicely the 4 front range schools of the current MWC lineup with UTEP. Add Utah St, Tulsa, UNT, UTSA, TX St, La Tech and Rice and you have a 12 school conference.
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Bonds.....let's be honest with ourselves here. The Sunbelt isn't exactly that much further above the FCS division in terms of perception. The everyday football fan probably can't tell you that FIU and GSU play in different divisions. At least GSU plays in a legit stadium, whether or not it belongs to them. FIU's stadium looks like a complete joke. Most of those sunbelt schools have stadiums of 25K and can't draw flies to boot. ODU is at 20K right now and who knows what GSU could top out at if they gain some momentum.
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Go to 24 with 3 8 team divisions (West/Central/East). Seven conference games, the last week is the first round of a playoff with the three division champs plus a wild card. Everyone else plays a "non-conference" cross-over game. They won't know for sure who the opponent is at the beginning of the season but they'll know if it's home or away. Maybe rotating opponents, maybe standard rivalries, maybe a bit of both.
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(01-20-2012 10:53 AM)NoQuarter08 Wrote:  Bonds.....let's be honest with ourselves here. The Sunbelt isn't exactly that much further above the FCS division in terms of perception. The everyday football fan probably can't tell you that FIU and GSU play in different divisions. At least GSU plays in a legit stadium, whether or not it belongs to them. FIU's stadium looks like a complete joke. Most of those sunbelt schools have stadiums of 25K and can't draw flies to boot. ODU is at 20K right now and who knows what GSU could top out at if they gain some momentum.

You know I completely agree with you on that, but just saying that's why some think those 2 are worse candidates than the Sun-Belt teams. I think both are much better candidates. I also think if both were currently in the Sun-Belt they would be added.
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