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RE: Stanton in the Press
(01-09-2012 02:49 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  
(01-09-2012 02:09 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(01-09-2012 11:36 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  
(01-09-2012 11:02 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  The unwritten thing is Dr. Stanton mortgaged the university to get these things done. The new dorms aren't paid for, they're being paid for by the students. All he did was get a token approval for bonds and debt service.
Dr. Stanton did accomplish some nice things, but even he knows that his legacy will ALWAYS be tied to dropping football.
I compare him alot to former POTUS George W. Bush. I don't believe neither are bad guys. I believe that both are incredibly intelligent overrall. Both of their problems resulted from not being surrounded by the right people, really great people to give him the information he needed to be so incredibly effective that the university would truly grow.
They gave the stat that more are living on campus, and that's great. 9 percent increase. Again it's not something he directly accomplished. How much has to do with the lottery scholarship and the lack of safe, affordable rental property around the campus? There's really not that much when you think about it. Not when you consider ETSU has almost 15,000 students. Compare it to Radford, there are apartment complexes completely around that campus, ETSU has Criminole Ridge or whatever it's called.
I guess ultimately, Dr. Stanton's body of work was good, but not great. He'll always be remembered for the football decision, and creating the disconnect between alumni and the university.
I hope it can be repaired with Dr. Noland.

was the university supposed to pay cash? dave ramsay may say so, but to the point, the university is in fine financial shape. i dont see the relavancy.

the university has grown. just not in the area of football. there is plenty of affordable housing around off-campus. they just built a huge complex accross the street. it still increased by 9%. thats better than a 9% decrease. yes... radford...everyone seems to be doing better than etsu, at least to some.

And as for the disconnect between the alumni and university...maybe so with a certain section of alumni, but not neccessarily the section that gives back to etsu.

http://www.etsu.edu/calendar/EventList.a...n_id=18886

The part that gives to ETSU is so small compared to the amount of alumni spread around it's insane. We've had this discussion before, where are the alumni chapters? Knoxville? Nashville? Memphis? Atlanta? Raleigh? Charlotte? There are alot more alumni NOT donating back to ETSU than currently do. That's a problem.
And yes, the living situation for off campus housing at Radford blows Johnson City out of the water, as it does even in tiny Duluth, Minnesota. (UM-D and ETSU have similar enrollment figures, comparable campuses.)
And yes, most schools have the ability to raise the funds privately and get things done, ETSU has continued to use bonds/debt service like a crutch to build things. And while I understand most schools do it, it would be nice one time to hear that ETSU built something that they weren't financing or getting from stimulus money.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what we think, it's what the perception of the university is, and the biggest way you can tell how alumni truly feel is whether or not they give back.

i would rather have a small group that donated alot vs. a large group that did not. but, it is true that etsu needs everyone to give back.

UM-Duluth....how could i have missed how posh their off-campus housing is??? Those northern minnasotans know how to live i guess...

name one...how about the warren-green golf center. i believe it was done through private donations.

maybe its the perception of the alumni that you have been in touch with. what is the perception of the other 98% that you have not talked to? you are painting with a broad brush when making statements like that imo.

For openers, Duluth is hardly northern Minnesota. Lake of the Woods, that's northern Minnesota. And yes, they have one of the better on and off campus housing situations I've ever seen on a college campus and oh by the way, they play football and just built an arena for their hockey team that would make ETSU fans drool over for basketball. Beautiful facility.
Yes, the Warren-Greene golf center was done through private giving. Bill Greene built it along with Coach Warren. That had NOTHING to do with Paul Stanton or Dave Mullins. Men's golf is almost completely privately funded and is the only sport on campus that is. That approach of a small group giving alot? Nobody is giving alot. Most of the donations are under 500 dollars a year, so it's more like very few are giving very little. That is a BIG problem and shows a disconnect. It's very much like when fans are upset with the direction of a program the only way they can show their disgust is to not go to games and not buy tickets. ETSU alumni aren't donating, and haven't been for a long time. That greatly needs repair.
Also, you keep harping on this enrollment thing. How many are first time freshman applicants? That hasn't really gone up. What has gone up is part time enrollment, non traditional students and transfers. It all surrounds around the economy tanking and the HOPE scholarship. Now the HOPE is getting its' belt tightened, and eventually the economy will recover. Then what? I always ETSU, much like Kennesaw State have benefitted directly from lottery money. When that happened, UTK and Uga had to cap enrollment and increase their admission standards above the HOPE numbers to accomodate, those students have filtered to other colleges.
Lastly, dropping football had nothing to do with the bond retirement of the dome. That money was coming regardless and ETSU was going to have the ability to do what they did with new bonds whether or not football was here or not. A trained chimpanzee could've been president and oversaw getting those dorms built. It is what it is.
01-09-2012 04:41 PM
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Stanton in the Press - abuc90 - 01-08-2012, 10:14 PM
RE: Stanton in the Press - slappywhite - 01-08-2012, 10:55 PM
RE: Stanton in the Press - BuccTiger - 01-09-2012, 03:32 AM
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RE: Stanton in the Press - Buccaneerlover - 01-09-2012, 11:02 AM
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RE: Stanton in the Press - Buccaneerlover - 01-09-2012, 02:09 PM
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