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RE: Kent State vs. Lehigh
To repeat what I posted earlier, the word I heard was that McCollum just didn't have, at least early on, a D I body. Lehigh was the first to offer, if what I heard and read was true. There are plenty of kids in HS that really light it up, kids that don't seem to have the physical ability to compete at D I in college. In most cases, that turns out to be true. Most of these kids, usually "white" but not always, either shine from the start at a lower level, or try D I and then move down (remember Coblentz at Kent State?). Of course, there are exceptions. Look at Jay Burson at Ohio State, Trevor Huffman, who was offered by only Kent State. Recruiting is tough business. guys "fall through the cracks" all the time. Kent State got some great basketball players over the years that the "bigs" found fault with. And there are players out there that mid-majors wish they would have gone after more aggresively. That's just basketball.
11-27-2010 09:32 AM
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RE: Kent State vs. Lehigh
Over the next four days I sure hope that Kent State works on"

1) Patience in their offensive sets. There were stretches of the game when I don't think Kent got into a play at all. Instead, guys were throwing errant street ball type passes or throwing up off balanced or contested jumpers. It was tough to watch at times.

2) Getting back on defense! It is a big concern that Lehigh was able to beat the Flashes down the court after misses. Tough to watch guys slapping at the ball from behind once he was beat down the floor.

Those are my big gripes.

Nice to see a rotation taking shape though. Obvioulsy Johnson and Leonard are "bigs" 1 and 2 off the bench. Their development is critical to protecting Greene and Manns. There is some flexibility with the guard play having 5 guys that can play....but I would think long and hard about telling those 5 guys that the rotation will be cut down to 4 if you are not willing to play some defense.
11-27-2010 09:51 AM
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RE: Kent State vs. Lehigh
I observed the same things. No offensive sets and sluggish d. It seems like we have all the pieces for a high-speed style of play instead of a low-scoring, rambling pace but even if you run short offensive sets you have to set up and concentrate on making good passes and shots. I think we have more raw talent than I have seen in my time watching KSU but it very much so is raw! The refuse-to-lose attitude is something that is promising. Lehigh wouldn't even have been competitive without McCollum.
11-27-2010 11:44 AM
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I agree about the play so far, but I'm really not concerned. I agree with Ford about the talent level. I think by January they should be at least as good as anyone in the MAC, especially with Nealy. Next year (I know, it's dumb to talk about next year already) with a little luck (injuries, academics, and the like) they could be REALLY something.
11-27-2010 11:56 AM
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I'd say they are neurotic, but I like the fact that they have mostly won close games. My questions are

1) How good will Kent play as they grow together? If things totally come together in January, I expect them to win the MAC.

2) How will they handle the road?

3) How good (or rather, how bad) is the rest of the MAC? I am beginning to believe that only Kent and Akron have the potential to be in the Top 100 and I'm not sure that either will end up there. It could be that Kent isn't particularly steady and still win the MAC this year.
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Really, KSU is the only team that looks decent so far this season. Akron and Ohio have looked very flawed in some fundamental ways (as have the other teams, which was expected).
11-27-2010 03:22 PM
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I would say we are very flawed in some fundamental ways as well, we just have a talent shield. I agree with you that we are the only ones that seem very promising right now, but I have a hard time believing that the MAC as a whole is that bad. BG's start really surprised me. I wouldn't have guessed they'd be 0-4 against such miserable competition (excluding Michigan.)
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RE: Kent State vs. Lehigh
Your right danny 73 Holt has been brutal that was my point. He has shot 30 of them though so he must have the green light. By the way Guyton is 12/32 which sound good until you realize he was 5/5 against Bryant. Take the Bryant game away and Guyton is 7/27 compared to Holts 5/24. Sherman is 5/9 so he needs to shoot more I suppose. Regardless no one is very good out of the three that do it the most. Porrini has the third most attempts and he is 4/15. If we start hitting a few it will sure open up Greene more. I know RMU and Lehigh won their league but it sure is beginning to be hard to believe that Ford just happened to set up a non-conference schedule with teams that have the best mid-major guards in the country. We'll see as the rest of the non-conference schedule plays out. Maybe I am greedy but being one of the best teams in the MAC shouldn't be our only goal. Just my opinion and I will admit I am usually pessimistic at this stage. It makes the end of the season more fun.
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11-27-2010 06:16 PM
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(11-27-2010 06:16 PM)burden Wrote:  Your right danny 73 Holt has been brutal that was my point. He has shot 30 of them though so he must have the green light. By the way Guyton is 12/32 which sound good until you realize he was 5/5 against Bryant. Take the Bryant game away and Guyton is 7/27 compared to Holts 5/24. Sherman is 5/9 so he needs to shoot more I suppose. Regardless no one is very good out of the three that do it the most. Porrini has the third most attempts and he is 4/15. If we start hitting a few it will sure open up Greene more. I know RMU and Lehigh won their league but it sure is beginning to be hard to believe that Ford just happened to set up a non-conference schedule with teams that have the best mid-major guards in the country. We'll see as the rest of the non-conference schedule plays out. Maybe I am greedy but being one of the best teams in the MAC shouldn't be our only goal. Just my opinion and I will admit I am usually pessimistic at this stage. It makes the end of the season more fun.

Believe me, I am on board with having bigger goals than just a MAC title. Also, you can't just "take away" his best game and re-average his 3pt shooting percentage. It doesn't work that way. He attempted and made those shots and is 41% on the year, which is very decent. That's like taking away someone's worst game and re-averaging them and saying they are better than they really are.
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You can take them out of his average when he had a great game against the worst Division 1 team we played. The game was also somewhat out of character. Nothing else even close to 5/5 in other games. If he does it a few more times then I would count them all but until he does it again I would be hard pressed to assume he will shoot 41% for the season. Listen I hope he does stay at 41% but making it sound like he is head and shoulders above Holt just is not justified yet.
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(11-27-2010 08:40 PM)burden Wrote:  You can take them out of his average when he had a great game against the worst Division 1 team we played. The game was also somewhat out of character. Nothing else even close to 5/5 in other games. If he does it a few more times then I would count them all but until he does it again I would be hard pressed to assume he will shoot 41% for the season. Listen I hope he does stay at 41% but making it sound like he is head and shoulders above Holt just is not justified yet.

If you are going to take away his best performance of the season, just say he hasn't made any. 03-banghead
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(11-27-2010 09:24 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(11-27-2010 08:40 PM)burden Wrote:  You can take them out of his average when he had a great game against the worst Division 1 team we played. The game was also somewhat out of character. Nothing else even close to 5/5 in other games. If he does it a few more times then I would count them all but until he does it again I would be hard pressed to assume he will shoot 41% for the season. Listen I hope he does stay at 41% but making it sound like he is head and shoulders above Holt just is not justified yet.

If you are going to take away his best performance of the season, just say he hasn't made any. 03-banghead

Well, then he basically hasn't.

Last year's team shot too many 3s. I hope this team knows it does not have any shooters and does not take many. Sherman's career does not suggest a great shooter. He can make the occasional open shot, but Kent State does not have a proven sharpshooter at the college level.
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In today's Canton Repository (the article is not online yet) Geno Ford states that McCollum could always "shoot and dribble", but that he was "thin" in high school, and has "matured" and "bulked up' since then. The article also points out that McCollum has also grown two inches since high school.
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(11-27-2010 07:40 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Also, you can't just "take away" his best game and re-average his 3pt shooting percentage. It doesn't work that way. He attempted and made those shots and is 41% on the year, which is very decent. That's like taking away someone's worst game and re-averaging them and saying they are better than they really are.

It's common practice in any statisitcal analysis to remove any outliers and look at the numbers with out them. I am alittle confused though, I thought you guys were talking about Guyton's 3pt shooting and if he's 12/32 he's at 37.5%. However, if you're going to remove his 5/5 game it should work both ways so the 1/7 game against Robert Morris should be ignored, but it's way to early in the season to get into all of that. The sample size is just 7 games.
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I'll buy taking the 1/7 game out. That makes him 30%. Your right it is too small of a sample. But watching the games the amount of 3's that are airballs or clank off the rim is awfully high. The shooting just hasn't been very good. If it doesn't get a little bit better it will hurt them this season. How much who knows but they need to get better to be a really good team.
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(11-28-2010 06:17 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  
(11-27-2010 07:40 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Also, you can't just "take away" his best game and re-average his 3pt shooting percentage. It doesn't work that way. He attempted and made those shots and is 41% on the year, which is very decent. That's like taking away someone's worst game and re-averaging them and saying they are better than they really are.

It's common practice in any statisitcal analysis to remove any outliers and look at the numbers with out them. I am alittle confused though, I thought you guys were talking about Guyton's 3pt shooting and if he's 12/32 he's at 37.5%. However, if you're going to remove his 5/5 game it should work both ways so the 1/7 game against Robert Morris should be ignored, but it's way to early in the season to get into all of that. The sample size is just 7 games.

At some point, you are who you are.
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(11-29-2010 12:01 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(11-28-2010 06:17 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  
(11-27-2010 07:40 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Also, you can't just "take away" his best game and re-average his 3pt shooting percentage. It doesn't work that way. He attempted and made those shots and is 41% on the year, which is very decent. That's like taking away someone's worst game and re-averaging them and saying they are better than they really are.

It's common practice in any statisitcal analysis to remove any outliers and look at the numbers with out them. I am alittle confused though, I thought you guys were talking about Guyton's 3pt shooting and if he's 12/32 he's at 37.5%. However, if you're going to remove his 5/5 game it should work both ways so the 1/7 game against Robert Morris should be ignored, but it's way to early in the season to get into all of that. The sample size is just 7 games.

At some point, you are who you are.

I agree, I think we need some more time to know exactly who he is though. He did shoot 36% from 3 last year at JUCO and at the begining of the year I didn't think we had anyone on the team that could go 5 for 5 in a game so I'm happy with him so far. His jumper looks alittle flat footed to me.
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30 for McCollum in win over #2 seed Duke.
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http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=7700207#

It's a shame we didn't use that scholarship on him instead of the kid that didn't want to go to South Carolina for the tournament game.
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Well the best kept secret in college basketball is out of the bag. Last mock I saw had him mid 2nd in the 2013 draft. I'm thinking over the next year and a half that will rise significantly.
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