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RE: Please tell me why waiting is better than expanding now
(06-20-2010 12:45 AM)animus Wrote:  Mullinsworld,

I'm all for adding Memphis and UCF. But i'm not understanding your arguement. People that are bankrupt don't associate themselfs with somebody that is poorer than they are.

Also like you said time is the worst enemy of the Big East. Adding schools isn't going to keep a school in the Big East. When a school like Pitt is only making 5/6/7M in the Big East, adding a school forces Pitt and other schools to make even less money. So if/when the Big 10 or ACC calls Pitt, Pitt can't turn down 14M or 22M. Thats 2X to 3X more money. I'm not saying Pitt is an candidate i'm using Pitt as an example. Cutting our pie gives schools more reason's to leave.

The bankruptcy quote was in reply to someone waiting for the lottery (i.e. other BCS schools).

By adding schools now, it won't keep someone from going to another conference that really wants to go but what it does do is get the new schools readier for when it does happen and assures the BE of not crumbling all together. Of course if enough schools leave at the same time its a moot point. If we got in and the BE wasn't around in a couple of years that's a risk we should take. But if the BE stays with 8 and lose maybe even as little as 2, there may not be any BE to go to. That was my point.
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(06-20-2010 08:58 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Once again I will ask you these two questions.

#1 Stability? Will adding any CUSA teams keep any of our curent squads including UL, from going to SEC,ACC or Big Ten? I think we can all agree the answer would be NO.
#2 Revenues? Would any of our schools be willing to add any CUSA schools if they DO NOT brring any extra revenues? I think the answer will also be a NO.

So why would you want to add ANYONE that would not add stability nor increase revenues?

There are no teams that can be added to this conference, not named Notre Dame, that would increase our stability. So that's a mute point.

Adding two teams would reduce the number of OOC games that Big East teams presently have to buy. Face it, The SEC is driving up the costs of OOC games with their big pay days. Big East schools can't afford to match those costs.

In reality adding two teams may not be a net financial gain but it would make filling out the schedule easier. It would also give the teams that are added an opportunity to raise their recruiting to Big East levels before the conference is raided again.
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I just find the arrogance of buckaineer and others funny. The only reason you have no worries about finding a new home is because you have seniority over us. You guys were handed a BE invite back in the day because they needed teams and you were in their backyard,everything has been given to schools like you and RU and so on just because of geography. Your like the guy who gets the promotion solely because hes been there 20 years.

To say you dont care if the former CUSA schools get a home or telling us to go back there is hilarious. You would have no BCS league without the performance of those 3 schools. No debating that,as I would have loved to have seen the second list of replacements behind us in 2003.I bet it wasnt pretty. UofL makes more money than you,has better facilities, and has been,along with ND, the most dominant athetic department in the BE. We just have to deal with the fact that we werent given access to the club,we had to build everything ourselves. Something you dont understand.

Lastly, you guys are NOT some superpower in football like you think you are.You had a nice run with RR,but now Gomer Pyle has you guys going 9-4 with by far the most talent in the league. I hate to bash another school but I am so sick and tired of the old guard crapping on anything thats not one of them. You guyus really make it tough to be in this league and if your leadership acts anyway the same,well I can see why there is no cohesiveness.

No go head and bash me and tell me to go back to CUSA and how great WVU and your other old timers are.
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To add on, i am not aying WVU hasnt pulled their weight or deserve to be in the BCS,but I am saying so does everyone in this league,not just the 5 old teams. Which is basically what I have seen implied lately,that no matter what the old teams will be fine just because they have been a ''name'' longer.
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RE: Please tell me why waiting is better than expanding now
The fact that two Big East commissioners have said repeatedly there isn't anyone available who adds value tells us exactly that. None of the CUSA/MAC programs add value-meaning increased revenues among other things, to the Big East conference existing programs. This isn't a super secret contact of a friend of someone based on something he heard about some super secret meetings that he got word of. This is straight from the "horses" mouth. TWO of them in fact.

The Big East is right now exploring creating a network, not to expand as some will try and say without basis, but to increase revenues for existing teams-football and basketball. They are also working on increasing broadcast tv rights for the existing members-not expansion candidates.

The Big East for various reasons has the lowest current revenues of all the BCS conferences. At the same time other BCS conferences have been able to increase revenues to numbers never before seen. As a result of this, and a desire by some of these leagues to reach for even more revenues, Big East programs may once again become a target for these other leagues.

If the Big East management is able to enact the increases they are attempting before they are raided again, then they will be able to stabilize this league and end the constant threat of defection.

If the Big East can't increase their revenues to be on par with these other conferences however, then teams if approached are going to probably leave the Big East. Of the teams that seem targeted, if even one leaves it will be a significant blow to the Big East. If two leave, the Big East will cease to have a relevant football conference, or support football at all as coaches and others in the league have acknowledged.

No adding of CUSA/MAC teams is going to change this. They aren't going to stop teams from leaving if they can join a more highly regarded and compensated league. It doesn't matter if the possible adds would have 3 years of recruiting under a BCS label, or 5 years playing in the league. If someone who offers more comes looking to BE teams, they will leave and the league will fall off to something less than it is now or cease to exist.
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(06-20-2010 08:19 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  If we added Memphis and UCF:
-Add Orlando and Memphis markets
-Reduce OOC payouts in football
-Add the Fed Ex sponsorship offer
-Add Memphis bball credits
-Add the B.E.N. the same year as they come on board

Legit question here, I don't know. With those revenue streams above would this makeup or surpass the pieces of the pie we all would lose by adding?

I think we ultimately need 12 teams, but I am on board with doing 2 first then 2 as soon as we see it is a positive move, maybe 1 year later, maybe 2-3 years later, but all in place for new tv deal.

Btw, UCF is located in Orlando, which is home to Disney, which owns a sports tv network, whom we will be renegotiating a deal with in a few years.
I agree with just about everything you typed there. Still, our contract is set. For 2012, unless Fed Ex chips in, we are probably getting what we are getting.

If we add someone today, they don't start playing in the BE till 2012. The current TV deal runs through 2012. Memphis is probably joining. I'm all good with that. I just hope they hold off on acting for two more weeks weeks to have the expansion coincide with the new TV package/network in 2013.
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(06-20-2010 10:10 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
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Sorry to tell all the possible CUSA candidates but here is the truth.......

The Big East feels that if it can get its "network" up and running that they would then be strong enough and attractive enough financially to pull a school from another current BCS conference. It just takes time. By getting the Network up and running and more to offer, it would be the dream scenario for the Big East to bring in Penn State, Maryland or Notre Dame for football. The more likely scenario is that it would be somebody like BC.

BE network may very well increase income, but BE will always be the least of the BCS. It will not raid any other bcs.[/font][/size]

Thats the primary reason NONE of the realistic schools mentioned out of CUSA east like ECU, Memphis, Marshall, or UCF have gotten an invite. An invite simply WILL NOT come for any reason other than "necessity".

In other words, if the Big East would happen to lose 1 team to conference expansion then yes, it would have to add a CUSA east team....out of necessity. But until the happens (If it ever happens) we will not see any movement from the office of the Big East.

[font=Arial]I agree this is what will happen. question is will there be a BE fb conf left to add them to?


If the network gets off the ground, and projected revenues are attractive........all I can say is look out ACC, the tide might turn and you might be the one getting raided.

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Fantasy land?

Believe what you want. The truth is that the Big East is in the BEST markets in the US. We have not seen the full potential to leverage a better TV deal than the ACC due to bad management and bad decisions.

There is a reason why "Tags" was brought in.
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(06-20-2010 11:31 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  The fact that two Big East commissioners have said repeatedly there isn't anyone available who adds value tells us exactly that. None of the CUSA/MAC programs add value-meaning increased revenues among other things, to the Big East conference existing programs. This isn't a super secret contact of a friend of someone based on something he heard about some super secret meetings that he got word of. This is straight from the "horses" mouth. TWO of them in fact.

The Big East is right now exploring creating a network, not to expand as some will try and say without basis, but to increase revenues for existing teams-football and basketball. They are also working on increasing broadcast tv rights for the existing members-not expansion candidates.

The Big East for various reasons has the lowest current revenues of all the BCS conferences. At the same time other BCS conferences have been able to increase revenues to numbers never before seen. As a result of this, and a desire by some of these leagues to reach for even more revenues, Big East programs may once again become a target for these other leagues.

If the Big East management is able to enact the increases they are attempting before they are raided again, then they will be able to stabilize this league and end the constant threat of defection.

If the Big East can't increase their revenues to be on par with these other conferences however, then teams if approached are going to probably leave the Big East. Of the teams that seem targeted, if even one leaves it will be a significant blow to the Big East. If two leave, the Big East will cease to have a relevant football conference, or support football at all as coaches and others in the league have acknowledged.

No adding of CUSA/MAC teams is going to change this. They aren't going to stop teams from leaving if they can join a more highly regarded and compensated league. It doesn't matter if the possible adds would have 3 years of recruiting under a BCS label, or 5 years playing in the league. If someone who offers more comes looking to BE teams, they will leave and the league will fall off to something less than it is now or cease to exist.


Buck, my feelings exactly.
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RE: Please tell me why waiting is better than expanding now
(06-20-2010 09:01 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  
(06-20-2010 08:51 AM)WVUeer Wrote:  
(06-19-2010 09:32 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  
(06-19-2010 06:20 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Can you guys against expansion of 2-4 teams right now give me a good enough reason to wait on these teams. Don't tell me they will be there later. That is not a strong enough argument.

Please tell me why we shouldn't add them to let them get a chance to strengthen before negotiations have to start with the next tv contract and bowl alignment.

Please tell me you've got something better than hurting bball programs feelings and disrupting the 8/8 hybrid setup.

I feel like Jack Nicholson here sitting in Cuba....yet have the answers and gumption of Cruise in the court room.


Wait on these teams for what exactly? Why do you think the Big East needs to expand? What is the benefit to the Big East of expanding? What is the benefit of expanding with UCF, ECU, Memphis and Temple or someone?

You are acting like the Big East is going to collapse if it doesn't add someone. You are acting like the tv contracts will not work if they don't add someone. You have the mixed up belief that the Big East is solely stuck on 3 or 4 schools to add because posters from another league are telling you this. You are ignoring many things.

The Big East does NOT need to expand to improve on the successes it has had. The league is NOW working on developing a tv network that will improve the league financially in a dramatic way. The league is also working on boosting the football and basketball pay for existing members when the broadcast contracts can be renegotiated.

Big East football has NEVER had more than 8 teams. It might be ok to have another, but it isn't such a critical issue that the league is going to hurt itself just to add someone. They would add someone instantly if it benefits the league members. They nearly hit the jackpot last week with Big XII teams. That went away, and so did any legitimate candidates for expansion at the moment.

If the league needs to replace someone, they will likely exhaust their BCS options--showing them what they can be with a BEN on the air in 25% or more of the nation. If that doesn't pan out and there is a reason, they will add what studies have shown is the best possible candidate for them.

They certainly won't add anyone out of panic--this would not help anything. At this point either the Big East will maintain and exist, or teams will leave and football will die. I find it interesting some of the new members are panicking about having to move backwards, but you want the league to add those same teams, which will cause you school to be in less than a BCS conference with diminished bb to boot.

Sorry to tell all the possible CUSA candidates but here is the truth.......

The Big East feels that if it can get its "network" up and running that they would then be strong enough and attractive enough financially to pull a school from another current BCS conference. It just takes time. By getting the Network up and running and more to offer, it would be the dream scenario for the Big East to bring in Penn State, Maryland or Notre Dame for football. The more likely scenario is that it would be somebody like BC.

Thats the primary reason NONE of the realistic schools mentioned out of CUSA east like ECU, Memphis, Marshall, or UCF have gotten an invite. An invite simply WILL NOT come for any reason other than "necessity".

In other words, if the Big East would happen to lose 1 team to conference expansion then yes, it would have to add a CUSA east team....out of necessity. But until the happens (If it ever happens) we will not see any movement from the office of the Big East.

If the network gets off the ground, and projected revenues are attractive........all I can say is look out ACC, the tide might turn and you might be the one getting raided.

WVUeer is this part of what you know from your post earlier this week...the newspaper article was one part, but the couple of tidbits you have here? Are you still holding onto some news breaking before or on June 30th?

I can understand that being a scenario, to see if the network is successful enough to draw in BC, but I don't see any of the others coming unless ND is completely forced. If all of this negotiating and tension building among the conference programs is to get BC back after the B.E.N. is formed, then we really are not using our forsight skills. BC barely hangs on as it is.

Yes, I'm still holding onto the information I was told that something is going to happen on or sometime before June 30th. I still havent been told anything has changed. As always though, it might happen and then again it might not. Much like everybody said it was a done deal to send Texas and the rest to the Big 12 this to could end up not happening. Thats the reason why I havent spilled the beans.
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(06-20-2010 11:35 AM)WVUeer Wrote:  
(06-20-2010 11:31 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  The fact that two Big East commissioners have said repeatedly there isn't anyone available who adds value tells us exactly that. None of the CUSA/MAC programs add value-meaning increased revenues among other things, to the Big East conference existing programs. This isn't a super secret contact of a friend of someone based on something he heard about some super secret meetings that he got word of. This is straight from the "horses" mouth. TWO of them in fact.

The Big East is right now exploring creating a network, not to expand as some will try and say without basis, but to increase revenues for existing teams-football and basketball. They are also working on increasing broadcast tv rights for the existing members-not expansion candidates.

The Big East for various reasons has the lowest current revenues of all the BCS conferences. At the same time other BCS conferences have been able to increase revenues to numbers never before seen. As a result of this, and a desire by some of these leagues to reach for even more revenues, Big East programs may once again become a target for these other leagues.

If the Big East management is able to enact the increases they are attempting before they are raided again, then they will be able to stabilize this league and end the constant threat of defection.

If the Big East can't increase their revenues to be on par with these other conferences however, then teams if approached are going to probably leave the Big East. Of the teams that seem targeted, if even one leaves it will be a significant blow to the Big East. If two leave, the Big East will cease to have a relevant football conference, or support football at all as coaches and others in the league have acknowledged.

No adding of CUSA/MAC teams is going to change this. They aren't going to stop teams from leaving if they can join a more highly regarded and compensated league. It doesn't matter if the possible adds would have 3 years of recruiting under a BCS label, or 5 years playing in the league. If someone who offers more comes looking to BE teams, they will leave and the league will fall off to something less than it is now or cease to exist.


Buck, my feelings exactly.

Another point I'd add is that if another league says they are taking a Big East team-the Big East team cannot leave for 27 months. This means that if no BCS programs are interested in coming over and a replacement team from the CUSA ranks is found, that team can be added to the Big East and be in the league with two full years of recruiting BEFORE the Big East team has even left. There is no reason to rush into anything.
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Again those here against expansion fail to see the big picture. Two more members, two more quality conference games. This season playing at Central Florida and Memphis at home would certianly make Pittsburgh's schedule more BCS friendly than facing Florida International and New Hampshire. Unfortunately for the Panthers they could go undefeated this fall and have a tough time getting consideration for The BCS Championship because they scheduled those two programs. That's the major problem having 7 conference games a season. It's tough for good teams to get 5 quality OOC opponents per season. The question is....Is a chance at a national championship worth what ever change in revenues would occur adding two programs?
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(06-20-2010 12:06 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Again those here against expansion fail to see the big picture. Two more members, two more quality conference games. This season playing at Central Florida and Memphis at home would certianly make Pittsburgh's schedule more BCS friendly than facing Florida International and New Hampshire. Unfortunately for the Panthers they could go undefeated this fall and have a tough time getting consideration for The BCS Championship because they scheduled those two programs. That's the major problem having 7 conference games a season. It's tough for good teams to get 5 quality OOC opponents per season. The question is....Is a chance at a national championship worth what ever change in revenues would occur adding two programs?
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Awhat.... So you missed the part of the schedule where Pitt plays @ Utah and Notre Dame and at home against Miami. I do agree that at least one of the 2 nobodies should leave the schedule. But then again look at any school from the B10 and its worse than our OOC. Thanks for the stupid slant again.
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It would only benefit us football schools as we will not have to schedule and entertain D-1AA offers like Indiana State.
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No doubt. Not as strong as Pitt's but another angle to consider:

At Fresno State nationally televised.
At NC State nationally televised.
Oklahoma at home nationally televised.

Anyone here think UC vs. ECU gets nationally televised this year? Me neither.

And Atlantacard, programs want that Indiana State type game in the early OOC season to make a few bucks and to work out the kinks. And if you only play one, it has no bearing on SOS in the BCS computer game.
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(06-20-2010 12:27 PM)AtlantaCard Wrote:  It would only benefit us football schools as we will not have to schedule and entertain D-1AA offers like Indiana State.

Its not just Big East schools that play an Indiana St. Look at Florida, Alabama, Penn St, half of the ACC's schedule. Sh1t the ACC have been known for the occasional hiccup against 1AA schools.
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(06-20-2010 12:06 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Again those here against expansion fail to see the big picture. Two more members, two more quality conference games. This season playing at Central Florida and Memphis at home would certianly make Pittsburgh's schedule more BCS friendly than facing Florida International and New Hampshire. Unfortunately for the Panthers they could go undefeated this fall and have a tough time getting consideration for The BCS Championship because they scheduled those two programs. That's the major problem having 7 conference games a season. It's tough for good teams to get 5 quality OOC opponents per season. The question is....Is a chance at a national championship worth what ever change in revenues would occur adding two programs?
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Playing Central Florida, ECU and Memphis in football isn't going to get anyone browny points towards playing in the BCS championship either. You also left out that they are facing Utah, Miami and Notre Dame non conference. There isn't a BCS program out there playing all of its games against BCS opponents. Everyone plays a couple of likely wins and that won't change.
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(06-20-2010 12:09 PM)animus Wrote:  
(06-20-2010 12:06 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Again those here against expansion fail to see the big picture. Two more members, two more quality conference games. This season playing at Central Florida and Memphis at home would certianly make Pittsburgh's schedule more BCS friendly than facing Florida International and New Hampshire. Unfortunately for the Panthers they could go undefeated this fall and have a tough time getting consideration for The BCS Championship because they scheduled those two programs. That's the major problem having 7 conference games a season. It's tough for good teams to get 5 quality OOC opponents per season. The question is....Is a chance at a national championship worth what ever change in revenues would occur adding two programs?
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Awhat.... So you missed the part of the schedule where Pitt plays @ Utah and Notre Dame and at home against Miami. I do agree that at least one of the 2 nobodies should leave the schedule. But then again look at any school from the B10 and its worse than our OOC. Thanks for the stupid slant again.

I still want to know which BE teams are having all of this trouble scheduling quality OOC games? As said above, Pitt does not have these problems. Also, I think trading 5 OOC games for 3 OOC games, but adding 2 conference games with UCF and Memphis, for every year moving forward in perpetiuty, is a net loss to Pitt, Syracuse and WVU in my opinion. Playing 9 conference games with Memphis and UCF as part of the conference is a losing proposition. If that were to happen, then I would hope and pray that Pitt can jump ship and move on to another BCS conference. If that were not to happen, then I hope Pitt gives up Div 1 football and sides with the basketball schools. My opinion is that my school deserves better than that. Sorry if you don't like my opinions on the issue, but again, this is a BE board and my comments are directed to fellow BE fans.
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(06-20-2010 12:09 PM)animus Wrote:  Awhat.... So you missed the part of the schedule where Pitt plays @ Utah and Notre Dame and at home against Miami. I do agree that at least one of the 2 nobodies should leave the schedule. But then again look at any school from the B10 and its worse than our OOC. Thanks for the stupid slant again.

That sound you just heard was my point going completely over your head. Thanks for confirming it with this post. Beat ND, Utah and Miami and you still won't sniff a national championship game because of the "2 nobodies" on your schedule. True adding Memphis and Central Florida wouldn't make any "brownie points" with the BCS. However, conference games against the Tigers and Knights wouldn't be viewed with as critical eye as games with FIU and New Hampshire. You know as well as I do, with the bias that exists against Big East football in the media, we don't get to play the "everybody else does it" card.
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(06-20-2010 12:35 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(06-20-2010 12:09 PM)animus Wrote:  
(06-20-2010 12:06 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Again those here against expansion fail to see the big picture. Two more members, two more quality conference games. This season playing at Central Florida and Memphis at home would certianly make Pittsburgh's schedule more BCS friendly than facing Florida International and New Hampshire. Unfortunately for the Panthers they could go undefeated this fall and have a tough time getting consideration for The BCS Championship because they scheduled those two programs. That's the major problem having 7 conference games a season. It's tough for good teams to get 5 quality OOC opponents per season. The question is....Is a chance at a national championship worth what ever change in revenues would occur adding two programs?
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Awhat.... So you missed the part of the schedule where Pitt plays @ Utah and Notre Dame and at home against Miami. I do agree that at least one of the 2 nobodies should leave the schedule. But then again look at any school from the B10 and its worse than our OOC. Thanks for the stupid slant again.

I still want to know which BE teams are having all of this trouble scheduling quality OOC games? As said above, Pitt does not have these problems. Also, I think trading 5 OOC games for 3 OOC games, but adding 2 conference games with UCF and Memphis, for every year moving forward in perpetiuty, is a net loss to Pitt, Syracuse and WVU in my opinion. Playing 9 conference games with Memphis and UCF as part of the conference is a losing proposition. If that were to happen, then I would hope and pray that Pitt can jump ship and move on to another BCS conference. If that were not to happen, then I hope Pitt gives up Div 1 football and sides with the basketball schools. My opinion is that my school deserves better than that. Sorry if you don't like my opinions on the issue, but again, this is a BE board and my comments are directed to fellow BE fans.

I second these feelings. I believe most paying fans from Pitt, SU and WVU would believe the same and would rather move to independence or drop football than pay to see such a lightweight schedule.
06-20-2010 12:45 PM
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(06-20-2010 12:35 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I still want to know which BE teams are having all of this trouble scheduling quality OOC games? As said above, Pitt does not have these problems. Also, I think trading 5 OOC games for 3 OOC games, but adding 2 conference games with UCF and Memphis, for every year moving forward in perpetiuty, is a net loss to Pitt, Syracuse and WVU in my opinion. Playing 9 conference games with Memphis and UCF as part of the conference is a losing proposition. If that were to happen, then I would hope and pray that Pitt can jump ship and move on to another BCS conference. If that were not to happen, then I hope Pitt gives up Div 1 football and sides with the basketball schools. My opinion is that my school deserves better than that. Sorry if you don't like my opinions on the issue, but again, this is a BE board and my comments are directed to fellow BE fans.

More of the "traditional schools" arrogance.
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