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Pitino has basically said UCF is a done deal so I'll assume he knows what he is talking about.

He mentioned that another two would have to be found, (although it may be more), and that he expected the league to still be together.

The Ohio State AD also said that the other leagues would remain-just change membership and continue. Therefore the assumption here is that the BE football and remaining schools try to reconfigure. Who do they go after besides UCF? Many other CUSA teams have been brought up over and over, but the problem here is that these schools are tier 4 academically and there just aren't ANY schools at that level in the BCS.

Here is the pool of schools the Big East, with everyone voting would likely look at in an initial list. These are simply teams that have football AND basketball programs that meet the basic academic criteria the Big East and any BCS league would require.



Tier 1 schools with FBS football and basketball
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Tier 1 Masters with fbs football and basketball
Marshall
Tier 1 Masters with fcs football and basketball-note-there were a couple of Virginia and NC schools here as well but I'm assuming other than Villanova the BE wouldn't look at these other FCS schools
Villanova
Tier 3 schools with FBS football and basketball
UCF* probably in already
Temple
Kent State
Ball State
Bowling Green State
Western Michigan
Tier 1 schools with FCS football and basketball
UMASS
Delaware
Tier 3 schools with FCS football and basketball
Old Dominion

Out of this list I'd imagine things would be rather quickly narrowed to:
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Marshall
Villanova
UCF* probably in already
Temple
UMASS
Delaware
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(04-19-2010 05:18 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  Pitino has basically said UCF is a done deal so I'll assume he knows what he is talking about.

He mentioned that another two would have to be found, (although it may be more), and that he expected the league to still be together.

The Ohio State AD also said that the other leagues would remain-just change membership and continue. Therefore the assumption here is that the BE football and remaining schools try to reconfigure. Who do they go after besides UCF? Many other CUSA teams have been brought up over and over, but the problem here is that these schools are tier 4 academically and there just aren't ANY schools at that level in the BCS.

Here is the pool of schools the Big East, with everyone voting would likely look at in an initial list. These are simply teams that have football AND basketball programs that meet the basic academic criteria the Big East and any BCS league would require.



Tier 1 schools with FBS football and basketball
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Tier 1 Masters with fbs football and basketball
Marshall
Tier 1 Masters with fcs football and basketball-note-there were a couple of Virginia and NC schools here as well but I'm assuming other than Villanova the BE wouldn't look at these other FCS schools
Villanova
Tier 3 schools with FBS football and basketball
UCF* probably in already
Temple
Kent State
Ball State
Bowling Green State
Western Michigan
Tier 1 schools with FCS football and basketball
UMASS
Delaware
Tier 3 schools with FCS football and basketball
Old Dominion

Out of this list I'd imagine things would be rather quickly narrowed to:
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Marshall
Villanova
UCF* probably in already
Temple
UMASS
Delaware

If that's the list that the Big East has to go by. Then I think Memphis and ECU would be better off in C-USA.
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(04-19-2010 05:18 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  Pitino has basically said UCF is a done deal so I'll assume he knows what he is talking about.

He mentioned that another two would have to be found, (although it may be more), and that he expected the league to still be together.

The Ohio State AD also said that the other leagues would remain-just change membership and continue. Therefore the assumption here is that the BE football and remaining schools try to reconfigure. Who do they go after besides UCF? Many other CUSA teams have been brought up over and over, but the problem here is that these schools are tier 4 academically and there just aren't ANY schools at that level in the BCS.

Here is the pool of schools the Big East, with everyone voting would likely look at in an initial list. These are simply teams that have football AND basketball programs that meet the basic academic criteria the Big East and any BCS league would require.



Tier 1 schools with FBS football and basketball
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Tier 1 Masters with fbs football and basketball
Marshall
Tier 1 Masters with fcs football and basketball-note-there were a couple of Virginia and NC schools here as well but I'm assuming other than Villanova the BE wouldn't look at these other FCS schools
Villanova
Tier 3 schools with FBS football and basketball
UCF* probably in already
Temple
Kent State
Ball State
Bowling Green State
Western Michigan
Tier 1 schools with FCS football and basketball
UMASS
Delaware
Tier 3 schools with FCS football and basketball
Old Dominion

Out of this list I'd imagine things would be rather quickly narrowed to:
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Marshall
Villanova
UCF* probably in already
Temple
UMASS
Delaware

Not that it matters to you, since I know how you stand when it comes to ECU, ECU has been ranked tier 3 just before the last BE raid of CUSA. I'm sure ECU isn't far off from being ranked tier 3 and I suspect if that was a criteria, ECU would commit to the BE brass that it would do whatever it takes to achieve a higher ranking. I also seem to remember that Louisville might have been ranked tier 4 when it was invited to the BE, but I'm not certain.
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buckaineer Wrote:Out of this list I'd imagine things would be rather quickly narrowed to:
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Marshall
Villanova
UCF* probably in already
Temple
UMASS
Delaware

That is a tough question Buck. If I had to add only 2 from this list to go with UCF it would be Navy and Marshall. I want to say TCU but I just dont think its going to happen. TCU is obviously attractive but I'm sure TCU is already looking at jumping to one of the expansions that is going to happen out west.
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Don't think Army or Navy are on the list. We would have heard something about that by now.

Listen to the media, I know you hate to hear it but Memphis and ECU are not that far behind. Jurich did say he expected some CUSA replacements. Unless you want to make a big push for Marshall then I dunno.
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There are some great possible adds and some decent ones, certainly some better and some the same as a Memphis or ECU but without the academic downside:

Out of that list great adds for football would be:
TCU
Navy

Good adds would be:
Tulsa
Marshall
Villanova (because they are already BE)
UCF* probably in already

OK adds would be:
Temple
UMASS
Delaware
Ohio

for basketball:

great adds

Villanova (already in)
Temple

ok adds
UCF* probably in already
UMASS
Ohio
Miami, OH
Marshall
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I think you have to do everything you can to get TCU and Houston,along with UCF.Next up would be ECU and Memphis.
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(04-19-2010 05:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Don't think Army or Navy are on the list. We would have heard something about that by now.

Listen to the media, I know you hate to hear it but Memphis and ECU are not that far behind. Jurich did say he expected some CUSA replacements. Unless you want to make a big push for Marshall then I dunno.

I'm considering more what the northeastern core of the Big East is thinking. After the new raid the basketball schools are going to have the power and any remaining football schools already wounded may not want to leave the best remaining part of their league, especially for tier 4 schools with questionable value in the major sports when you can get the same or better elsewhere with higher academics. BTW I have heard nothing from any credible media with sources from the Big East saying ECU or Memphis are considered candidates-actually the opposite is true and I have posted it. Tulsa and Marshall are CUSA schools btw.
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(04-19-2010 05:57 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  
buckaineer Wrote:Out of this list I'd imagine things would be rather quickly narrowed to:
Navy
Army
TCU
Tulane
Tulsa
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami, OH
Marshall
Villanova
UCF* probably in already
Temple
UMASS
Delaware

That is a tough question Buck. If I had to add only 2 from this list to go with UCF it would be Navy and Marshall. I want to say TCU but I just dont think its going to happen. TCU is obviously attractive but I'm sure TCU is already looking at jumping to one of the expansions that is going to happen out west.

It is tough, but it shows you what the Big East remnants and bb may be facing, unless they just decide to throw everything out the window. I honestly do not see the bb schools voting for schools like Memphis or ECU and they would have more votes than the football remnants whoever they are. Of course the new teams might be seeing the remaining teams leave them after a few years anyway.
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(04-19-2010 05:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Don't think Army or Navy are on the list. We would have heard something about that by now.

Listen to the media, I know you hate to hear it but Memphis and ECU are not that far behind. Jurich did say he expected some CUSA replacements. Unless you want to make a big push for Marshall then I dunno.

Personally I disagree with the statement about Army and Navy. Especially if ND gives up its independence. They could be a player in the end IMO.

I agree that Memphis and ECU are not far behind but those two schools are not on the list of options that Buck presented.

I've always said I think these four schools would most definitely be in the mix.....Memphis UCF, Marshall and ECU
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(04-19-2010 06:09 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 05:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Don't think Army or Navy are on the list. We would have heard something about that by now.

Listen to the media, I know you hate to hear it but Memphis and ECU are not that far behind. Jurich did say he expected some CUSA replacements. Unless you want to make a big push for Marshall then I dunno.

Personally I disagree with the statement about Army and Navy. Especially if ND gives up its independence. They could be a player in the end IMO.

I agree that Memphis and ECU are not far behind but those two schools are not on the list of options that Buck presented.

I've always said I think these four schools would most definitely be in the mix.....Memphis UCF, Marshall and ECU

I would like to see Marshall get in at some point, we (UCF-Marshall) have got a nice little thing going, and I know there is a little bit of a regional rivalry between (WVU-Marshall) that I think would be a fun conference game every year. From what I hear though WVU folks ain't to keen on the idea...
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(04-19-2010 06:09 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 05:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Don't think Army or Navy are on the list. We would have heard something about that by now.

Listen to the media, I know you hate to hear it but Memphis and ECU are not that far behind. Jurich did say he expected some CUSA replacements. Unless you want to make a big push for Marshall then I dunno.

Personally I disagree with the statement about Army and Navy. Especially if ND gives up its independence. They could be a player in the end IMO.

I agree that Memphis and ECU are not far behind but those two schools are not on the list of options that Buck presented.

I've always said I think these four schools would most definitely be in the mix.....Memphis UCF, Marshall and ECU

Navy and Army were top candidates in the last renewal of the Big East and were also reportedly approached again for some sort of affiliation when the ninth team issue was addressed. Navy has just gotten better since that time, competing with the top levels of the BCS and beating some(despite everyone saying they can't compete regularly), and being so close to DC --With their status the BE would be foolish to not make a new approach. Army would deliver another historical rivalry and revenue from that-plus both are good bowl draws-if they get there (no problem for Navy). ECU and Memphis are not going to get much consideration from basketball-they are too far away and academically to far below everyone else. Now if somehow they improve before the situation comes to this? Then they would be considered, but right now it isn't likely. The league has already been beaten down, adding tier 4 schools isn't going to help matters.
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(04-19-2010 06:18 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 06:09 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 05:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Don't think Army or Navy are on the list. We would have heard something about that by now.

Listen to the media, I know you hate to hear it but Memphis and ECU are not that far behind. Jurich did say he expected some CUSA replacements. Unless you want to make a big push for Marshall then I dunno.

Personally I disagree with the statement about Army and Navy. Especially if ND gives up its independence. They could be a player in the end IMO.

I agree that Memphis and ECU are not far behind but those two schools are not on the list of options that Buck presented.

I've always said I think these four schools would most definitely be in the mix.....Memphis UCF, Marshall and ECU

I would like to see Marshall get in at some point, we (UCF-Marshall) have got a nice little thing going, and I know there is a little bit of a regional rivalry between (WVU-Marshall) that I think would be a fun conference game every year. From what I hear though WVU folks ain't to keen on the idea...

True, but honestly WVU may not need to worry about it, at least not for long.
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(04-19-2010 06:24 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 06:18 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 06:09 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 05:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Don't think Army or Navy are on the list. We would have heard something about that by now.

Listen to the media, I know you hate to hear it but Memphis and ECU are not that far behind. Jurich did say he expected some CUSA replacements. Unless you want to make a big push for Marshall then I dunno.

Personally I disagree with the statement about Army and Navy. Especially if ND gives up its independence. They could be a player in the end IMO.

I agree that Memphis and ECU are not far behind but those two schools are not on the list of options that Buck presented.

I've always said I think these four schools would most definitely be in the mix.....Memphis UCF, Marshall and ECU

I would like to see Marshall get in at some point, we (UCF-Marshall) have got a nice little thing going, and I know there is a little bit of a regional rivalry between (WVU-Marshall) that I think would be a fun conference game every year. From what I hear though WVU folks ain't to keen on the idea...

True, but honestly WVU may not need to worry about it, at least not for long.

I got a feeling that you are right about that Buck and I think Stew knows it also. Personally I think we are headed to the ACC if things take off the way we think its going to. To be honest, I'm excited about the idea of that. I hope it happens.
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There is no chance Marshall gets in over Temple.
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(04-19-2010 06:36 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 06:24 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 06:18 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 06:09 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 05:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Don't think Army or Navy are on the list. We would have heard something about that by now.

Listen to the media, I know you hate to hear it but Memphis and ECU are not that far behind. Jurich did say he expected some CUSA replacements. Unless you want to make a big push for Marshall then I dunno.

Personally I disagree with the statement about Army and Navy. Especially if ND gives up its independence. They could be a player in the end IMO.

I agree that Memphis and ECU are not far behind but those two schools are not on the list of options that Buck presented.

I've always said I think these four schools would most definitely be in the mix.....Memphis UCF, Marshall and ECU

I would like to see Marshall get in at some point, we (UCF-Marshall) have got a nice little thing going, and I know there is a little bit of a regional rivalry between (WVU-Marshall) that I think would be a fun conference game every year. From what I hear though WVU folks ain't to keen on the idea...

True, but honestly WVU may not need to worry about it, at least not for long.

I got a feeling that you are right about that Buck. Personally I think we are headed to the ACC.

Will be interesting to see but looking at many comments on these boards I think many have a very false image of WVU and what it brings.
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(04-19-2010 06:38 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  There is no chance Marshall gets in over Temple.

I have always said, if Pitt leaves and VU doesn't want to move its program up then Temple would be one of the top targets for replacement. That being said I would never say never, their football has much more history of being good than TU and they have an on campus "BE sized" stadium. TU of course has had much better bb.
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(04-19-2010 06:43 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  
(04-19-2010 06:38 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  There is no chance Marshall gets in over Temple.

I have always said, if Pitt leaves and VU doesn't want to move its program up then Temple would be one of the top targets for replacement. That being said I would never say never, their football has much more history of being good than TU and they have an on campus "BE sized" stadium. TU of course has had much better bb.

And we have an NFL stadium a few minutes away from campus?

Marshall isn't exactly Alabama...
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What are you losing? Pittsburgh, Chicago, NJ/NYC, possibly more of NYC and central NY. You think the bosses are going to look to Huntington? Memphis, Philly, and Orlando are the three best unless you believe some hairbrained scheme of Fordham hosting tackle football in Yankee Stadium. I'm still on the fence about the Texas schools. I think the most likely way they'd be invited is after a split.
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(04-19-2010 06:49 PM)esayem Wrote:  What are you losing? Pittsburgh, Chicago, NJ/NYC, possibly more of NYC and central NY. You think the bosses are going to look to Huntington? Memphis, Philly, and Orlando are the three best unless you believe some hairbrained scheme of Fordham hosting tackle football in Yankee Stadium. I'm still on the fence about the Texas schools. I think the most likely way they'd be invited is after a split.

Huntington is #63 DMA so it isn't that far off from #50 Memphis. However, I never said if Marshall would get in or not, I just listed the non BCS options for the BE in the academic range that would be considered. They won't look at Greeneville, NC for sure, they might look at Orlando, Dallas/Ft. Worth (TCU) and Tulsa(another possible travel partner?) They'll look at things like keeping some sort of contiguous states as well though, and also quality of programs will be considered. There are plenty of metro areas in the list of teams I gave and the schools in those areas have decent academic standing to outstanding. Memphis isn't going to be considered if its academics aren't improved.
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