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Rank your realistic expansion candidates
Im just curious how the majority of people here see the options stacking up

Lets avoid including other BCS programs, ND, and teams west of texas.

Let me try a top 10, keep in mind we are in serious trouble if we have to add more than 4 or 5 teams

1. TCU
2. Memphis
3. Houston
4. Temple
5. ECU
6. UCF
7. Buffalo
8. SMU
9. Marshall
10. Tulsa

I prefer TCU and Memphis because they offer a very strong football and basketball respectively, and are the only 2 available options whos inclusion would increase the percieved strength of our conference. After them things get a bit tougher, but I like Houstons history and potential, obviously their market. Same goes for Temple. If we could just get temple to average 40k a game theyd be #1 on the list. Houston and Temple imo can at least be slightly worse versions of TCU and Memphis, bringing solid football from houston and basketball from temple.

The next 3 are patch work teams who add little value to the conference. ECU has good attendance to their football games, and UCF has some upside but i dont think either one adds anything other than a conference USA feel to the big east.

Buffalo is an option solely because of market and being in the northeast. I hate their football field with the track going around it and id be very suprised if they were ever seriously considered. SMU and Tulsa are intrigueing but they have many drawbacks. Marshall just there because of history and footprint
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RE: Rank your realistic expansion candidates
I'm not sure if TCU, Tulsa among others are realistic candidates just yet. They are candidates that fans like myself want the Big East of football schools to approach.

1 Memphis
2 Temple(if Rutgers leaves the Owls are at the top of my list)
3 UCF
4 ECU
5 Buffalo(only if Syracuse leaves)
6 S. Miss

I really can't get past 6 right now. And alot of these schools are pushing it. Honestly I prefer to get to 10 w/ Memphis and Temple. If Rutgers leaves, look at UCF or one of those western candidates if they are legit candidates.
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RE: Rank your realistic expansion candidates
(03-05-2010 01:50 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I prefer TCU and Memphis because they offer a very strong football and basketball respectively, and are the only 2 available options whos inclusion would increase the perceived strength of our conference.
We're all entitled to our opinions, but let me just give the contrary view to that comment:

Football is the engine that drives the whole train, and Memphis football will not be ready for BCS-prime time for many years to come. TCU has a great football program, but they are still a small private school far away from the rest of the BE. Media-wise, TCU is no better than the #4 college team (if that) in their own D/FW market (UT, A&M, OU, just for starters). Even when they are ranked, they have a tough time filling up their (smallish-medium-sized) stadium. I don't think their fans will ever get too excited about playing a Big East schedule, nor will Big East fans ever get excited about playing TCU. Their football history is very up-and-down; what if they suck again after being in the BE for a few years?
Quote:If we could just get temple to average 40k a game theyd be #1 on the list.
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RE: Rank your realistic expansion candidates
(03-05-2010 01:50 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  Im just curious how the majority of people here see the options stacking up

Lets avoid including other BCS programs, ND, and teams west of texas.

Let me try a top 10, keep in mind we are in serious trouble if we have to add more than 4 or 5 teams

1. TCU
2. Memphis
3. Houston
4. Temple
5. ECU
6. UCF
7. Buffalo
8. SMU
9. Marshall
10. Tulsa

1. Memphis
2. ECU
3. Nova-bump up
4. UCF
5. Temple
6a TCU
6b Houston
8. Marshall
9. Toledo
10. Deleware
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RE: Rank your realistic expansion candidates
Here are the only realistic candidates should expansion be needed within the next 3 years:

1. Memphis
2. East Carolina
3. Temple
4. Central Florida
5. Southern Mississippi
6. Buffalo (only if Syracuse no longer in league)

Beyond that, if we are looking at a longer time-frame, I'd put the following schools on the "programs to watch" list - i.e. schools that have potential and could put themselves in position for BE membership in the coming 5 to 7 years:

Florida International
Florida Atlantic
Charlotte
Georgia State
Old Dominion

As for TCU and other Texas schools, no idea yet if those are really "realistic."

Army & Navy could obviously work as football-only entries, if they were interested (and they've said repeatedly that they are not.) Villanova, as discussed elsewhere, is a non-starter.
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RE: Rank your realistic expansion candidates
Like people was questioning geography when they was talking Texas to the Big 10. Could you imagine people's opinions if TCU was a legit candiate? Think about geography with a league that's doesn't generate the revenue that the Big 10 does. TCU may receive more money in the Big East than the MWC but i'm not sure if their net profits would increase due to the travel.
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TCU looks good, but could you imagine the travel expenses? Say...Syracuse or Rutgers or UCONN has to go to TCU. That's a 1300/1400/1500 mile, respectively, flight both ways. That ain't cheap. Not to mention everyone else (except L-ville) would also have to travel 800-1000 miles to play them.

And before everyone jumps on the Memphis train, I'd wait a year or two to see which direction their b-ball program goes...
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(03-05-2010 02:31 PM)KnightTower Wrote:  Before everyone jumps on the Memphis train, I'd wait a year or two to see which direction their b-ball program goes...

There is no reason to think they won't continue to be successful - they were a strong program before Calipari, and they have one of the best BB facilities in the country. Beyond that, there just aren't many great candidates available.
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RE: Rank your realistic expansion candidates
1.Tigers ( thats my team lol)
2.Horned Frogs (too good at football to pass up)
3.Owls/ Pirate Tie ( Pirate football / Owl basket ball)
4.Knights/ Cougars (tied)
5.Bulls /Golden Eagles (tied)
6. Thundering Herd
7.Golden Hurricane
8. Blue Raiders
9. Mustangs
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RE: Rank your realistic expansion candidates
1. Memphis
2. ECU
3. Nova-bump up
4. UCF
5. Temple










(03-05-2010 02:21 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  
(03-05-2010 01:50 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  Im just curious how the majority of people here see the options stacking up

Lets avoid including other BCS programs, ND, and teams west of texas.

Let me try a top 10, keep in mind we are in serious trouble if we have to add more than 4 or 5 teams

1. TCU
2. Memphis
3. Houston
4. Temple
5. ECU
6. UCF
7. Buffalo
8. SMU
9. Marshall
10. Tulsa

1. Memphis
2. ECU
3. Nova-bump up
4. UCF
5. Temple
6a TCU
7b Houston
8. Marshall
9. Toledo
10. Deleware
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(03-05-2010 02:31 PM)KnightTower Wrote:  TCU looks good, but could you imagine the travel expenses? Say...Syracuse or Rutgers or UCONN has to go to TCU. That's a 1300/1400/1500 mile, respectively, flight both ways. That ain't cheap. Not to mention everyone else (except L-ville) would also have to travel 800-1000 miles to play them.

And before everyone jumps on the Memphis train, I'd wait a year or two to see which direction their b-ball program goes...

Travel expenses are a red herring in comparison to revenue. TCU jumped to the Mountain West (leaving behind very cheap bus trips to Rice, SMU and Houston) in order to travel to places like Laramie and Provo (which are a LOT harder to get to than most of the BE schools) and the Horned Frogs are only make a few hundred thousand dollars more per year in TV money compared to C-USA. Once you have to get onto a plane, the actual distance really isn't that big of a deal in terms of cost. The point is that TCU's travel costs would not really be any different in the Big East compared to the Mountain West and the Big East already ranges from Milwaukee over to Providence and down to Tampa. If it's a matter of staying in the BCS or not, then travel costs aren't going to be a concern.
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(03-05-2010 02:34 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  There is no reason to think they won't continue to be successful - they were a strong program before Calipari, and they have one of the best BB facilities in the country.
All true. But keep in mind that "continue to be successful" does not necessarily mean the kind of on-court performance we saw from '05-'09.
Quote:Beyond that, there just aren't many great candidates available.
Quite so. Which is the main reason why BE expansion hasn't happened already, and also the main reason why it probably won't happen, unless and until outside forces (coughBigTencough) force the Big East's hand, similar to the ACC/BE wars of 2002-03.
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RE: Rank your realistic expansion candidates
Immediate time frame (5 years or less)

1. Memphis
2. ECU
3.Temple
4. UCF

Long term time frame (8-10+ years)

1. Memphis
2. UMass/UDel - bump up
3. Temple / ECU / UCF/ Temple
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(03-05-2010 03:05 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(03-05-2010 02:34 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  There is no reason to think they won't continue to be successful - they were a strong program before Calipari, and they have one of the best BB facilities in the country.
All true. But keep in mind that "continue to be successful" does not necessarily mean the kind of on-court performance we saw from '05-'09.
Quote:Beyond that, there just aren't many great candidates available.
Quite so. Which is the main reason why BE expansion hasn't happened already, and also the main reason why it probably won't happen, unless and until outside forces (coughBigTencough) force the Big East's hand, similar to the ACC/BE wars of 2002-03.


Agreed. The only way the BE expands any time soon is out of necessity. And I don't think anyone would expect Memphis to necessarily maintain their level of play from 05-09 - it was a golden age for them - but they will still be a very solid program that could challenge for the Final Four in any given year.
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If Rutgers and Pittsburgh join the B10, and assuming that neither Villanova or Georgetown promote themselves to FBS status...

The BE will need another "TV Market" (or two). With that in mind.
1) Central Florida (Orlando #19) -- provides USF with a "natural" rival.

2) East Carolina (Raleigh-Durham #26) -- enough interest in the Raleigh-Durham TV market, plus quite a number of northern transplants who could identity with the northern schools, especially during basketball season. Built-in rivalries with West Virginia, Central Florida, plus solidifies a relationship with the Meineke Car Care Bowl.

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Now, some will promote Memphis and that's legit, given their previous relationships with Louisville and Cincinnati.
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(03-05-2010 03:06 PM)UofL07 Wrote:  2. UMass/UDel - bump up

I'd love to see both of these happen - but thus far I've seen no indication that either is prepared to invest the $$$$ necessary to make it happen. But if it were possible, they would both be ideal.
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RE: Rank your realistic expansion candidates
1. Navy
2. Memphis (If athletic probation is not an issue, otherwise the rest of the field moves up.)
3. Marshall
4A. UCF (Same as Memphis, the situation with Athletic probation)
4B. East Carolina
6. Southern Miss
7. Nova
8. Temple
9. Umass
10. Army

Now to what I think will happen....

MIZZOU, Pitt and Rutgers go Big Ten. The BEast offers Maryland, BC among a few other "high profiles" etc and all decline. BEast sets up meetings with CUSA to talk about possibilities, out of those negotiations CUSA helps push East Carolina and Marshall since both are far out of the footprint of CUSA but fit well in the BEast footprint. Both sides agree so BEast offers both ECU and Marshall to go along with Memphis and UCF. Memphis +1 becomes full members, the other two of the group are "football only". BEast finalizes the 12 team football league by adding two more "Football only" in "Army and Navy".......preserves the 16 team basketball league.

North:
1. WVU
2. Uconn
3. Syracuse
4. Army
5. Cincy
6. Navy

South:

1. Louisville
2. USF
3. Memphis
4. Marshall
5. UCF
6. East Carolina

C-USA ends up happy by adding schools closer to the core South West region of C-USA (possibles out of the Sunbelt) to complete their 12 team league.

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The athletic probation for us isn't THAT big of a deal. Its a blemish at most.

But...probation is probation.
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If its just a one school add, pitt, cuse, or rutgers to the big 10, than i would guess its either cfu or memphis coming on board. Yet, if the big east loses 4 at one time, not sure how that would go down, than who knows what happens...maybe the hybrid could be 8 catholic 4 football with no more big east football and the 4 football school's join either cusa or mwc as football only members.
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(03-05-2010 03:42 PM)bluesox Wrote:  If its just a one school add, pitt, cuse, or rutgers to the big 10, than i would guess its either cfu or memphis coming on board. Yet, if the big east loses 4 at one time, not sure how that would go down, than who knows what happens...maybe the hybrid could be 8 catholic 4 football with no more big east football and the 4 football school's join either cusa or mwc as football only members.

Not sure about the MWC but C-USA requires all sports to played in the conference. No partial members in major sports.
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