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<a href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1528-2004May29.html' target='_blank'>Watch the numbers climb in coming weeks.</a>
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Oddball Wrote:<a href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1528-2004May29.html' target='_blank'>Watch the numbers climb in coming weeks.</a>
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That stuff passes for humor in your world? My condolences! :wave:
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Oh, GASP! It's a CARTOON cut fight!

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Post the article since I am not signing up for anything that has to do with a liberal newspaper
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The "liberal" Washington Post? Puh-lease!

How much longer can you little victim beotches whine about the "liberal" press? Shut the f@#k up already! It's a dead horse!

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Argument: All reporters are liberals.
Response:Conservatives say this all the time, but it's just false. The most reliable survey of Washington-based reporters showed in 2003 that 37 percent were Democrats (just about the percentage in the general population), 19 percent were Republicans, and the rest – the largest group – were Independents. Other surveys have shown that while journalists lean left on social issues such as abortion, they lean right on economics (ever wonder why every newspaper has a business section, but none have a labor section?)




Argument: Journalists try to get Democrats elected.
Response: For decades, the trade publication Editor & Publisher has surveyed newspapers on whom they endorse for president. Only twice – in 1964 and in 1992 – did the Democratic candidate get more endorsements. George W. Bush was no exception, easily outpacing Al Gore in endorsements (Bush got over 60%).




Speaking of Al Gore, would a liberal media have attacked him the way they did? For instance, the idea that Gore "said he invented the internet" was repeated in over 2,600 news stories during the 2000 campaign – but it is completely false. He never said it. Ask a conservative to tell you with a straight face that the press treated Gore better than Bush during the 2000 campaign (for more on the way the press screwed Al Gore, see this article, this article and this article.




Academics have been trying for years to determine whether the media have an ideological bias. There have been dozens of studies, and here's what a recent meta-analysis surveying 59 such studies concluded: "On the whole, no significant biases were found for the newspaper industry. Biases in newsmagazines were virtually zero as well…studies of television network news showed small, measurable, but probably insubstantial…biases."




Here's a trick – ask a conservative who argues that the media have a liberal bias to give you some examples. They'll talk about times when a Republican got negative coverage. Give them a few back – say, the endless coverage of the Clinton "scandals" all of which amounted to nothing, or the Bush non-scandals (like his probable insider trading when on the board of the Harken corporation) that were all but ignored by the press. Their response will likely be, "But Clinton deserved it!" You can come back with, "So when a Republican gets bad coverage, it's evidence of liberal bias, but when a Democrat gets bad coverage, the press is just telling the truth?"




Argument: Conservatives get shut out of the media.
Response: This is just laughable on its face. There is not a single liberal who has his or her own show on national television, while there are a plethora of conservatives who do – John McLaughlin, Bill O'Reilly, Fred Barnes and Mort Kondracke (The Beltway Boys), Dennis Miller, Joe Scarborough, John Kasich, Oliver North, Tony Snow, Cal Thomas – the list of conservatives with huge media megaphones goes on and on. The one liberal who had his own show, Phil Donohue, was cancelled by MSNBC because he opposed the Iraq war.




Talk radio is the media, too – and this medium is dominated, on the order of 90-95%, by conservatives. The radio universe is ruled over by a behemoth called Clear Channel, a corporation run by people who give large contributions to the Republican Party. Clear Channel dropped Howard Stern once he began to criticize President Bush, and refused to syndicate Air America host Randi Rhodes (who was at a Clear Channel station), despite the fact that Rhodes dominated her media market in Florida, crushing Rush Limbaugh in the ratings.




And conservative "experts" are much more likely to get quoted in the news than liberal ones. The latest of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting's annual studies of think-tank citations in major newspapers and on broadcast media showed that 47% of quotes were from representatives of conservative think-tanks, 41% came from centrist think-tanks, and only 12% came from liberal think-tanks (see the archives of FAIR's studies here).




Meanwhile, extremist conservatives are all over the media, while liberals more than a step or two from the center are nowhere to be found. For instance, Ann Coulter – who regularly calls for the murder of people with whom she disagrees – has been put on television hundreds of times. But can you name anyone as far to the left who is given a forum on television?




Argument: The media accept liberalism as the norm, but see conservatism as aberrant.
Response: When a conservative says this, the appropriate response is, "Where's your evidence?" And they don't have any. For example, in his book Bias, Bernard Goldberg charges that conservatives get identified as such by the news media, but liberals don't. "In the world of the Jennings and Brokaws and Rathers, conservatives are out of the mainstream and have to be identified," Goldberg wrote. "Liberals, on the other hand, are the mainstream and don't have to be identified." This is an empirical claim, and an easily tested one at that. When linguist Geoffrey Nunberg, armed only with that obscure tool known as Lexis/Nexis, set out to test whether Goldberg was right, he found that Goldberg had it backwards. In fact, liberal members of Congress were more likely to be identified as "liberal" than conservative members of Congress were to be identified as "conservative." Virtually all of Goldberg's claims are similar: one can easily discover whether they are true or not, but Goldberg never bothers.
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<a href='http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/05/27/5372644' target='_blank'>Even NPR?</a>
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joebordenrebel Wrote:The "liberal" Washington Post? Puh-lease!

How much longer can you little victim beotches whine about the "liberal" press? Shut the f@#k up already! It's a dead horse!
Calm down there big boy...Don't get your panties in a wad
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Can you people please give sources...Where are you getting this "information?"
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UCBearcats1125 Wrote:Can you people please give sources...Where are you getting this "information?"
Um...

Quote:Post the article since I am not signing up for anything that has to do with a liberal newspaper


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Oddball Wrote:
UCBearcats1125 Wrote:Can you people please give sources...Where are you getting this "information?"
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Quote:Post the article since I am not signing up for anything that has to do with a liberal newspaper

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I guess we will have to believe joebordenrebel made all of that stuff up
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UCBearcats1125 Wrote:Post the article since I am not signing up for anything that has to do with a liberal newspaper
This statement is funny for several reasons:

1. While most hardcore GOP supporters claim that the overall U.S. media is liberal, they never fail to cite a media source when an article, story, or op-ed agrees with the GOP position on any given issue. They forget that all political parties need the media just like the media needs political parties.

2. Even if the news media were overall liberal, or if one rag were wholly liberal, the statement above shows that this supporter of the GOP will avoid or ignore the opposing side of any given issue.

3. The statement above ignores the fact that all U.S. media outlets operate under the free market system, and media outlets whether those are newspapers, radio, tv or internet are businesses. The statement above suggests that the media is supposed to be a public service, and serve the community at-large regardless of the fact that the community must pay for, in some way, information and editorial content of any media source.
If all media were a public service, rags like the one I work for would have a serious cash-flow problem, and consequently I'd lose the bulk of my weekly pay, which would inevitably lead to a smaller staff, and a poorer editorial content contained in my paper's weekly cache of stories, photographs and information. As a consequent, fewer patrons would read my paper. Businesses would not need to advertise in may paper, and we all know that would have disastrous reverberations through the economy.

4. If the above linked media outlet, the Washington Post, were a liberal outfit then how could that outfit survive in the overall political climate of its market? If most people are conservative as the conservatives argue, then how could such a liberal rag (if the Washington Post is indeed liberal) survive in the free market system?
The statement above ignores the fact that businesses cater to the market, and in this respect media is no different from any other business. As an example, no one is selling fish-heads at the local seafood market (in my area anyway) because there isn't a demand for fish-heads in my area. Should there be an increasing demand for de-bodied fish-heads, then lo and behold the local Winn Dixie, Kroger and Wal-Mart would begin selling this item.

Public access media outfits such as C-SPAN and NPR will cater to the market as well since these outlets require contributions from readers, listeners and viewers at large.

Other than that, I agree with the statement to the point that if a link must be posted and those clicking on the link need a log-in to access the site, then please copy and paste the pertinent information.

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<a href='http://www.earstohear.net/media.html' target='_blank'>http://www.earstohear.net/media.html</a>
thanks, and have a good day! :D
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As for the original statement that Kerry's poll numbers will rise, acc. to the Washington Post today, Bush has a 47%-41% lead over Kerry--new poll conducted in Ohio alone. Nader is chiming in at 3%.

Does this mean anything? It does for Ohio and that is what we need to see more--state-by-state polls with representative samples. A poll asking 1, 000 respondents simple yes or no questions is in no way indicative of the entire voting population in the U.S. Many of these 1,000 respondents in any poll are home on the weekday and answer their telephone when the caller-ID says "unavailable." I would not answer that call even if I were home all day during the usually 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. workday. Pollsters call between these hours because many newspapers conducting the polls are on deadline and have to analyze the poll data before going to press around midnight.

Also, I heard today that the U.S. ranks 139th in overall voting by eligible citizens among all other representative and universal suffrage style goverments.

We may be the best and the greatest, but not when considering participation from average, adult citizens. We are the 139th best.
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KlutzDio I Wrote:We may be the best and the greatest, but not when considering participation from average, adult citizens. We are the 139th best.
Thank You...Polls mean nothing
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UCBearcats1125 Wrote:<a href='http://www.earstohear.net/media.html' target='_blank'>http://www.earstohear.net/media.html</a>
thanks, and have a good day! :D
Why should we believe the link you posted?

You first claim the media is liberal, and if one media organization is more liberal than any other, you'll simply ignore it. It is obvious that objectivity is not what you want here, you want agenda based and driven information, as long as it conforms to your agenda.

By those standards anyone disagreeing with you could simply claim the information you posted was biased and agenda based, with no consideration given to objectivity, and therefore untrustworthy.

I am having a nice day. It's a holiday and the phones aren't ringing off the hook. :D
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KlutzDio I Wrote:I am having a nice day. It's a holiday and the phones aren't ringing off the hook. :D
Are you at work or home?
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"Political bias" in the media doesn't necessarily mean counting the number of times a newspaper says good things about Republicans vs. the number of times it says good things about Democrats. It usually goes much deeper, and more 'under the surface', than that. One could also say that media simply goes for what will "shock" the most, regardless of political affiliation, and that the readership and the media disseminating the information will feed off each other.

For one example, racial topics are grossly biased in media.

Jesse Jackson once called New York City "Hymie Town", a slur referencing the city's large Jewish population. It was only mildly reported in various media, but basically it was a non-story hardly worth reporting. I would imagine you could go to your local supermarket and conduct a poll, asking random customers if they ever heard of this story, and most would say no.

Now, what if Bill O'Reilly called Detroit or Atlanta "N-word Town"? This would be front-page news, and Bill would never work in the industry again, not to mention fear leaving his own home for months.

Also consider the following quote by African-American New York City Councilman Charles Barren at a slavery reparations rally:

Quote:"I want to go up to the closest white person and say, 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing,' and then slap him, just for my mental health," Barron told a crowd of demonstrators who had gathered in Washington, D.C. to support the cause.


Another quote not covered by mainstream media, but appeared in off-the-beaten-track publications and web blogs. Again, imagine a white elected official commenting on affirmative action, and telling supporters that he'd like to slap the closest black person he saw? The media would have a field day, and this person would become a household name within days.

And what of the racial comments by Serena and Venus Williams' father, calling opponents "white turkeys"?

This is all speculative, of course. But would anyone bet me money in Vegas that the above assumptions would be anything but 100% true? No one would bet me because it is indeed true. The likes of liberal activist Jesse Jackson don't face the music, but guys like baseball pitcher John Rocker do.

Why is that?
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UCBearcats1125 Wrote:
KlutzDio I Wrote:We may be the best and the greatest, but not when considering participation from average, adult citizens. We are the 139th best.
Thank You...Polls mean nothing
Rankings and polls are two different things. Polls guage opinion and rankings are based on hard data, as in country X ranks higher in overall GDP than country Y. Country X ranks higher in voter participation than country Y, and so on and so forth.


Opinions are when some one states "I think country X sucks..." or when the AP "ranks" college football teams. Their "rankings" are not based on hard data as sometimes teams with comparable win/loss records are "ranked" either lower or higher than other deserving teams. The AP football rankings are called "polls" because these reflect the opinions of the AP or the college coaches in the USA Today/CNN Coaches' Poll as to how the college football teams rank in comparison.

You have equivocated the meaning of "polls" and "rankings."

An opinion does not have to be based on hard data. An opinion that is based on hard data is an "informed opinion" and this could be similar to the judgement from the bench in a lawsuit or appellate court. An informed opinion could also be a lawyer's argument in a court of law....such as "we have the murder weapon right here, clearly the investigative arm of the P.D. has shown it has the defendant's fingerprints on it. We have established that the defendant desposited a large amount of money in his bank account two days after the murder, and the same amount of money was taken from the crime scene. The defendant, furthermore, cannot verify his whereabouts on the night of the 3rd, which is when the murder occured. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...I implore you to reach a guilty verdict."

This is an example of an informed opinion.
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UCBearcats1125 Wrote:
KlutzDio I Wrote:I am having a nice day. It's a holiday and the phones aren't ringing off the hook. :D
Are you at work or home?
I'm a scum-sucking media person, I'm at work.

I work 7 days a week, holidays don't mean anything to us, except more work. :D
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