(01-21-2023 01:47 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 12:58 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-21-2023 12:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-19-2023 03:37 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(01-19-2023 02:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  All of the "BIG" football brands are now members of the P2 with the exception of Notre Dame.
Several second tier schools remain (Florida State, Miami, Clemson), and a couple of has been's (Washington, Colorado) and that's about it. Everything else ...... just fill-ins.
Geography does not favor dividing those four (Notre Dame, FSU, Miami and Clemson) between the P2.
If the PAC were smart they would go after SDSU and BYU (regardless of politics/religion). If all of the Big 12 teams are "off of the market" (including BYU) and why wouldn't they be (especially for the PAC) since they already have a split media deal with FOX and ESPN lined up at a fixed price, then SMU is about as good as they could hope for. The PAC had better pray that SMU hasn't already had conversations with the ACC as a possible expansion team or perhaps a fill-in if one or more teams were to depart. The ACC's list of possibilities is longer than the PAC's (USF, Tulane, Navy, SMU, and of course Notre Dame are all academically acceptable to the ACC)

FSU isn't a 2nd-tier grab. Unless you're being extremely elite with your current top tier (UGA, Bama, Mich, OSU?). You're talking about a school that has 35% market share of the hyper-competitive State of FL for starters. And that's while being in conference for decades that doesn't focus on football or attract the big crowds.

Face it G&B Florida State is not a true blue-blood football program like Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Southern Cal or Notre Dame. They just don't have the long history like some of those other programs.
That's not to say that Florida State isn't the #1 Tier 2 team in the country.
Notre Dame is the ONLY blue-blood program that is not in a P2. The ACC, Big 12 and PAC are the best of the rest, with some of their members hoping for a chance to move up to the big time. I imagine that it is frustrating for a school like FSU, Washington or Miami to be on the outside looking in while schools like Vanderbilt, Mississippi State and Purdue are collecting "the big bucks".
Keep up hope, however, when the pressure on Vanderbilt or MSU, gets great enough where they are asked to upgrade facilities or enlarge their stadiums beyond what they are comfortable with, they may decide to drop down where the cost of competition is not as great and it may create an opportunity for the 'Noles or the Hurricanes because the SEC does need a second school in the State of Florida.

As you correctly noted, there are only a few true "blue-bloods". However, both the SEC and the B1G have 9 schools that form an enviable upper crust:

Alabama, Georgia, Florida, A&M, LSU, Texas, OU, Auburn, Tennessee

tOSU, Michigan, MSU, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, PSU, USC, UCLA

And that leaves out basketball blue bloods like Kentucky and Indiana, and doesn't mention that Mississippi St or South Carolina can jump up and compete in any given year, too. Heck, if Leach was still around those 2 might be favored to be top 4 in the SEC next year.

FSU comfortably fits into that upper crust in either of the P2, calling them a 2nd tier school is insulting and shows that you should probably stick to basketball.

Your snide comment is uncalled for. You basically agreed with him.
Both of your comments are basically true.

There are 8 or 9 blue-bloods (depending on whether you include Penn St.). FSU is not one of them. FSU is near the top of the next group with Florida, Miami, LSU, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia and Clemson. And both the Big 10 and SEC have a strong series of schools in the next group, as you mentioned.

LSU has 3 titles with 3 different coaches in the past 20 years, I don't see how you could include PSU and not LSU.