(06-16-2022 07:03 PM)otown Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 11:13 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 10:34 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 07:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 06:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  I seriously doubt the Big 12 will cease to be considered a power conference. Even without OUT their on field performance is on a par with both the PAC and the ACC in football, and they are second to none in hoops.

I think fans will just have to wrap their heads around the idea that there won't be symmetry in whatever post season tournament ultimately evolves.

Well, IMO, "power" is based more on brand value than performance.

E.g., in the latter part of the BCS era, the post-Miami/VT/BC version of the Big East was arguably the top basketball conference, and its football performance was clearly "power" level as well. But while it did have formal "power" status as part of the AQ club, it wasn't really regarded by most fans and the media as a "power" league, was constantly being criticized as not worthy, etc.

That's what I think the "NB12" will be like.

Performance begets brand value. If a school can consistently put a successful, entertaining product on the field or court, it's going to attract a following beyond its customary reach. Conversely, substandard performance can reduce brand value.

I'm old enough to remember when the American auto industry was the only game in town, and everyone aspired to own a Cadillac or Lincoln even though their doors didn't fit and their flagship models spent a lot of time in the shop. Then along came Toyota, whose quality, reliability, and eventually styling exposed Detroit's hubris, laziness, and intrenched indifference to customer needs, wants, and safety. Toyota has never declared bankruptcy. But GM and Chrysler?

I agree, but that takes time.

As a Cincy fan, you remember the 2005 - 2012 Big East. Performance-wise, we had top-level hoops, and competitive, power-level results on the field too.

But we were ridiculed and fans/media were constantly saying we should be booted from the AQ ranks anyway.

We lacked brand value.

Sending UCONN to the BCS bowl didn't do you all favors via perception........

That is true. IIRC, they lost to Oklahoma by more than OU lost to West Virginia.