(06-21-2021 02:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 02:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 11:13 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-20-2021 10:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I enjoy at UCF having a word with me. UCF 2017 is no more National Champions than you or I are, or Notre Dame 2012 is or 2016 Alabama is (the UCF-loving Colley-Matrix picked Notre Dame #1 that year even after Alabama beat them in the BCS title game; it also picked Alabama #1 in 2016, after they lost to Clemson in the CFP title game).

The CFP has, every single time, produced a champ that was unanimous with respect to the traditional pre-BCS determination, the Coaches and AP polls. As for computers, you can't expect unanimity. E.g., in 2019, when LSU was the legitimate national champ as much as anyone has ever been the legit champion at anything, there were IIRC about 20 computers out of 100 in the MC that picked someone else. Several had them #3 or even #4. That's meaningless.

And heck, an actual inclusive playoffs wouldn't change that - this past year, Baylor won the NCAA hoops title, but the Massey Composite of computers picked Gonzaga as #1 - *after* the tournament.

The last time there was an actual "split" football title was in 2003, when the AP voted for USC despite LSU winning the official BCS title. Before then, 1997.

The CFP has produced a consensus champ every year, and always will, as it is basically impossible for anyone to merit the title more than a team that beats two of the other four top teams after also having a great regular season.

Fair enough. But UCF definitely replicated the "Tulane problem" from the pre or early BCS era.

And having an undefeated team that's not part of the championship picture is definitely a flaw in the system, which 6+6 is going to solve.

Well, I think there is definitely a chance that we could have an unbeaten team left out. I suspect that had the PAC had a full season, its champ would have been in the top 12 and Coastal Carolina would not have been.

If we have two unbeaten G5 champs, I think there's a good chance one will get left out. We could even have that if there is only one unbeaten G5 champ. E.g., imagine if in 2016 the AAC champ had had one loss. They might have been ranked #13 or so. In that case, I think unbeaten MAC champ WMU, who finished #15 in the CFP, gets left out.

Naah. The committee would just jump 13-0 G5 champ above 12-1 AAC chsmp

Not sure why they would do that if the AAC champ has had the better season?

Undefeated does not mean better, or more worthy. Could just mean soft schedule.

To be fair...the AAC Champion if they go undefeated would probably not have played a soft schedule. That argument could be made for the MAC, Sunbelt or C-USA proposed Undefeated Champion.

Gotta give the AAC some due...it has become a pretty good conference with a enjoyable product to watch. Clearly most years the 6th Best Conference in the Country. Not year in or year out with the Autonomous Five but also clearly ahead of the other Group of Five. Clearly the Tweener of the 10 FBS Leagues.