(03-30-2021 05:14 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 03:31 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 09:52 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 08:58 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 08:36 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Each game played by a team gives the conference a payout. Those are paid out ~250-k - 300k a year for 6 years (amount changes each year). So each game is worth 1.5-1.8 million. The conference then decides how to split out the pay. I believe the AAC does an equal split.

This year credits so far are:
Wichita: 1 Credit
Houston: 5 Credits

Oh I see, so we are still receiving payouts from 2015 and every yr since then? That's pretty cool and didn't realize it was such a sizeable amount of money. Probably helps out these non-football conferences that rely on these credits that have little to no TV contracts.

You have inadvertently shown why the CFP is a bubble that will pop.

What you just realized is why so many more schools play division 1 basketball than FBS or division 1 football. It is far more profitable to be a basketball school than a football school. It's the difference between playing the lotto and playing Texas hold 'em in trying to make money.

Because football only has six or seven home games and basketball may have 20 the difference in attendance is negligible, in pure ratings of eyes on tv it's not much different, in access the difference has always been huge in basketball's favor. Considering what the NCAA tournament pays out compared to bowls (which have now been hoarded to a handful of teams) and you need only one good player in basketball to turn a program around, it starts getting to the point where you wonder why anyone besides Alabama and Texas try to even play football. Basketball is cheaper, its return is higher, turn around happen fast and during down times it drags less on the budget (also why women's basketball continues to thrive and nearly every school has one) and in good times the pay off is crazy.

Even the return on alum donations, freshman application, and the quality of the student applicant is about equal with first round, second round, final four run to a low level bowl, a name bowl, and a NY6.

The problem is Joe Q Public like you have no idea of the underlying economics. You see big stadiums, big games, and the ESPN hype machine of game day because essentially all the games happen on one day, versus the marathons.of short sprints that is the college season. Bowl seasons length also helps hide this since it goes roughly the same length of time as the Dance but has 60% of the games, with ESPN desperate to hype everyone of them since they own them. So if you don't ever actually look what's going on and the underlying costs of football, it seems like football is the golden ticket. In reality for its level playing field and foundational differences in costs and returns basketball is where it is at.

Which again is why there are far more division 1 basketball schools than football.

ESPN pays us $83million to play football on their network. Okay... 67% of that, at least by conservative estimates. So $56milion. I guarantee you, you shut down AAC football tomorrow, every bit of that $56million evaporates.

So according to a previous post in this thread, we get, under the best circumstances, $10million a year for tournament credits. You add that to the $27million, and you come to $37million per year for the whole conference for basketball.

Even leaving out any income from bowl payouts and the CFP scraps (our CFP share varies depending on if we make the Access Slot Bowl), $56million is still > than $37million.

In summation, we make more than twice as much on football as we do on basketball.

ETA: Just went and checked it out here: https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sport...ution.aspx
That $56MM(ESPN) + $22.4MM (Thanks Cincy for the extra $4MM... Thanks Tigers from the year before) = $78MM, and that doesn't include any other bowl income.

*Sigh

Now do how much it costs us to play football versus basketball.

I again point out to you the obvious answer not the rah rah fan but football! How many schools play FBS football? How many play Division 1 basketball?

Can you name a school who plays football but not basketball?

80+ scholarships and a much bigger staff

13 scholarships four coaches

I am sure all these university presidents just don't get it. Never mind you made a ton of assumptions and ignored points like the similarities in raw numbers over a season in every catagory but football contracts handed out by ESPN and an underperforming basketball tournament time period.

I will wait for your examples of football only division one schools. I mean we have basketball, wrestling, baseball, and hockey division 1 only. There has to be a football one right, I mean it's a gold mine right

*sigh...

We've had these discussions for years. You think this has been a discussion, you should have seen the Memphis board when Larry Porter was our coach for his two years of futility. We had a small contingent of Memphis fans screaming to shut down football. In the end, we decided that we would consider the dynamic model, rather than the static model. That is: Sports is the front porch of your University. When we made strides in football, EVEN AFTER Calipari had his deep run in basketball, we saw a great increase in enrollment and a broadening of our application base that correlated with football success.

The reason you see schools with basketball, but no football is, basketball is cheap and easy... as you have already stated. But, that is totally irrelevant. Totally. Because we DO play football. And if you DO play football, you have to maximize ROI. Are you going to lead the charge to shut down Tulsa football? If so, go ahead. I would suggest to you that the culture @ Tulsa is quite different than The University of Memphis, you being a private school and us being a public state school. Something like shuttering football would never fly in Memphis. We HAVE to be all sports. Our financial model relies on mass enrollment.

So *SINCE* we are GOING to be playing football for the foreseeable future, we have to let it drive the train. People who have tried it the other way (unless you are in a P5 conference - i.e. Vanderbilt, Kansas, etc.) have struggled mightily (Memphis before the Tommy West speech).