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RE: roster minutes distribution
(01-04-2021 05:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:57 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 04:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 03:14 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(01-04-2021 02:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Or...an example of reality that doesn't fit someone's perception...

well I guess Penny is wrong again since he said after the last game he was shortening the rotation.

There is an issue with substitutions, everyone knows it, it is not a secret or a conspiracy. Thing about stats, they are like the bible, you can argue either side of a debate and have something to back it up.

Hopefully, we can put +/- to rest; you know the one where a player who is 1-5 from the field with 2 points is a +11 and another with 14 points and 5 rebounds is a -8. The one where when Lomax has a bad number it is proof that he sucks, and when he has a good number, the same posters say that it isn't indicative of his play, and he benefitted from everyone else getting hot.

I am sure you are aware, I wasnt one of those touting the +/- numbers either. I watch the games, every game, every minute of every game. That is how I come to my opinions.

Every stat is subjective...Every stat has flaws.

But somethings are not easily seen...That is why coaches pay good money to have these stats created and evaluated.

Watching is the most important component...But many things are missed.

If you have a player whose numbers are grossly below teams averages with no explanation it needs to be investigated as to why.

Plus/minus is a reliable statistic in pro hockey. You have 4 defined forward and defense lines, there are only an average of 6 goals scored in each game and there is a sample size of 82 games, with each of the 16 teams in each conference, playing a very similar schedule. Because of the low number of goals per game, the plus/minus numbers are more meaningful.

With 6 goals scored per game, if there are players that are on the ice for more goals for or against, it will eventually show up. It also allows for players that don't score much to have very good numbers, merely by not being on the ice for many goals against.

The one wildcard is the goalie. A great goaltender can distort the numbers at the league level, but at the same time, the numbers within the team will reflect who is better.

In basketball, the same player making or missing 4 shots in a row will have a big impact on the numbers for players that have little or no involvement in the scoring plays. The same with opposing players.

As I said in another thread from a while back. One of the advanced stats showed Chris Chiozza one spot ahead of Fred VanVleet. Chiozza averages 4.2 points per game while VanVleet was making shots that help the Raptors make playoff runs and win an NBA title.
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roster minutes distribution - Tiger87 - 01-04-2021, 12:20 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - macgar32 - 01-04-2021, 12:52 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - k2tigers - 01-04-2021, 12:56 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - memtigbb - 01-04-2021, 02:23 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - Tiger87 - 01-04-2021, 02:51 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - memtigbb - 01-04-2021, 03:14 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - Stammers - 01-04-2021, 04:28 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - memtigbb - 01-04-2021, 04:57 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - macgar32 - 01-04-2021, 05:16 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - Stammers - 01-04-2021 05:39 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - macgar32 - 01-04-2021, 05:44 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - Stammers - 01-04-2021, 06:09 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - macgar32 - 01-04-2021, 06:17 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - Stammers - 01-04-2021, 08:07 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - Tiger87 - 01-04-2021, 03:05 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - macgar32 - 01-04-2021, 03:07 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - macgar32 - 01-04-2021, 03:53 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - macgar32 - 01-04-2021, 04:16 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - mairving - 01-04-2021, 03:02 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - Atlanta - 01-05-2021, 11:31 AM
RE: roster minutes distribution - macgar32 - 01-05-2021, 12:38 PM
roster minutes distribution - aardWolf - 01-05-2021, 11:33 AM
RE: roster minutes distribution - Tiger87 - 01-05-2021, 12:22 PM
RE: roster minutes distribution - Stammers - 01-05-2021, 01:48 PM



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