(08-27-2020 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 04:42 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 03:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 03:43 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 03:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Seriously, name several. You seem to think a Navy win over a 4-loss (sans the loss to Navy) Kansas State team is a quality win. I think that's pretty silly, K-State is a team that finished 5th in a 10-team league, but OK, let's grant that one. Who else ya got?

They finished tied for 3rd and beat a playoff team. How would that not be a quality win for a team that only finished 3rd/4th in their league. App St. road wins against UNC and South Carolina are quality. Cincy 38-6 whooping of BC in a bowl game is a quality win. LT blanked Miami in a bowl. SMU and Memphis notched wins against rivals TCU and Ole Miss. UCF stomped Stanford. Boise beat FSU in their house. Those are quality programs regardless of whether they were in down years.

Oh man come on. The official Big 12 standings has K-State in 5th, and that's where they finished, as they lost to both of the other teams that had the same conference record. Fifth out of ten. And even though that's no kind of quality win, I granted that one.

The other teams you mention are all nonsense, as those teams weren't any good. TCU was a 5-7 team, Ole Miss and South Carolina were 4-8, FSU and Miami were 6-7 the list goes on. To count those as "quality P5 wins" you basically have to believe that every P5 program is great just because they are P5. That's nonsense.

My point stands - no wins vs P5 worth mentioning yet a ton of teams ranked in the top 25. Your attempts to show otherwise is Hot Garbage, dumpster-fire stuff.

I do think that might mean newfound respect for the G5 among voters.

Make a list of P5 teams that would've counted as a quality win in your eyes. If KSU beats Navy they're a ranked team. If Tennessee doesn't lose to Georgia St. they're a ranked team. That TCU team beat Texas fort worth, they lost to SMU in Forth Worth. Cincy throttling BC by 30 is a quality win. App beating UNC in North Carolina is a quality win.

Edit: BTW where KSU finished in the Big 12 is a side issue. They finished in a 4 way tie for 3rd. If you want to say officially they finished ranked behind UT and Okst. fine, but saying that somehow disqualifies them as a quality win is ludicrous. The voters didn't have any problem ranking an 8-5 UT and their best win came against KSU. KSU at 8-5 had as a good of a record as any non ranked P5 team in the country. They also probably had the best win of any non-playoff team with their win over OU. If they don't count as a quality win then you're effectively saying that no unranked P5 team would have been a quality win.

Kansas State was 8-4 before they lost to Navy. That's not very good. They finished 5th in the Big 12, that's where they happened to finish, I'm sorry if that disrupts your narrative.

Despite your angst, you haven't put a dent in my point - none of the G5 schools that finished ranked in the top 25 captured a P5 scalp worth mentioning (why you keep mentioning Tennessee, irrelevant here because Georgia State was unranked, is a measure of your desperation). Kansas State is the best possible example, and at 8-4/8-5 and FIFTH PLACE in the B1G, all anyone can say is "that's all you got"? Come on. And even after I granted that one very lukewarm win, you then tried to mention all kinds of nonsense about beating 4-8 P5 teams. Good Lord. Now you're still trying it by mentioning 6-6 UNC and BC teams. Sheesh!

The entire ranked G5 contingent had no wins worth mentioning over P5 teams, which if you want to define as "ranked teams" then yes, that's a reasonable definition of "quality".

When your very best win is over a team that finished 8-5, I'm sorry, but that's not saying much. Your continued flailing to cover for your inept entry into this discussion notwithstanding.

A quality win is relative. A team trying to build a playoff resume is going to have a different standard and definition for what constitutes a "quality win" than a team that routinely finishes towards the bottom of a league, like say Kansas. Alabama going in to Knoxville and winning is expected. Georgia St. (a middle of the pack team from a bottom two league) going into Knoxville and beating a middle of the pack team from one the best conference in the country is a great win. And while that win didn't belong to one of the ranked G5 teams it nevertheless directly benefited them because it gave Tennessee an 8-5 record instead of a 9-4 record. A 9-4 Tennessee team beats out one of those ranked G5 teams, just like how KSU would've been ranked instead of Navy had they beat them. Navy was the 3rd best team in their league. Them beating the 3rd best team from a perceived better league is a quality win. App went into UNC a and won. The only other teams to do that were UVA and Clemson the top two ACC teams. Where games are played matters. You think Clemson only beats UNC by a point if they play that game in Death Valley?

Again there were 18 teams from the P5 that won more than 8 games. Every single one of them was ranked (in the coaches poll, in the AP UVA was left out for 8-5 UT). Competing for those last 7 spots were the G5 teams that got ranked and all the 8-5 teams you've deemed to be mediocre. And if mediocre simply means undeserving of a ranking then the AP voters agreed with you. And that frankly shouldn't have surprised anyone because the last time the AP poll ranked multiple 5 loss teams was in 1999. Nevertheless the bolded part of your **** post needs to be expanded upon because an examination of #13 Baylor, #16 Utah, and #25 UT and UVA's schedule's shows that their best wins came against 8-5 P5 teams. Which you would know if you actually did any research rather than just talking out of your ass.