(05-22-2020 10:46 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 10:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 09:10 AM)JRsec Wrote:  IMO the Big 10 and SEC and Big 12 need to be more honest about their mistakes as well instead of playing happy families.

I think we all - except radical ACCers from the Carolina Core - agree that the reason the ACC needs a GOR is that (a) it makes considerably less than its competitors, the SEC and B1G, and (b) it is a three-sectioned hydra with grafted-on southern (read Florida) and northeastern wings that have no cultural ties with the Carolina-VA core and thus are amenable to bolting for more money. Who knows, maybe the ACCN is even right now closing that money gap and hence the problem, but probably not.

As for the SEC, the only real mistake I've seen, and it is a mild one, is Missouri. Missouri just doesn't fit as well as we thought it might. They aren't a terrible fit, but they aren't a particularly good one. I'd personally be happy if the B1G or Big 12 took them off SEC hands. That said, if getting Mizzou was the price for getting TAMU, then it was well worth paying, as TAMU has been a Grand Slam, the best post-2009 expansion acquisition that any conference has made.

I don't disagree with anything you said here Quo, but poor Missouri is a fish out of water and gasping for air. They had less than 5 games against all other SEC members except for A&M (all Big 12) and Vanderbilt who apparently played them often way back when, which is even well before me. They have great people who try hard to fit in but truly have nothing in common with most Southerners. And looking at their athletics sag in the SEC is painful, not for us, but for them.

I agree 100% about the Aggies and they seem to love the SEC. But let's be honest Rutgers is inexplicably in the Big 10 and was last I looked the only one of the P5 schools subsidized at or above 25%. West Virginia belongs somewhere, just not in the Big 12 where they do okay but are an absolute outlier and over time that is going to wear mighty thin.

I don't see a bad fit in the PAC, but sadly their issues are internal.

I raise this point not to have anyone kicked out, but to say if there is a breakaway it would be the perfect time to address the hangover of the market footprint additions and possibly align them in ways better suited to those schools.

On a side note we will either wind up with extreme divisions in revenue within the P5 if we stay or we will have an opportunity to address some of that inequity if we breakaway. I think the impetus is there. We'll see.

It's hard to look at your own conference and identify the outliers.
In the B1G:
should have taken Missouri not Nebraska
should have taken Pitt and not Maryland
Rutgers?

best for everybody: cut PSU, Maryland, Nebraska and Rutgers and move back to the original 10.
PSU could captain a northeast conference and solve most of the created problems

In the SEC:
I still question Arkansas, I think they actually fit better in the current Big 12
Missouri needs to be somewhere else
Texas A&M seems happy, but.........
If the Magnolia forms, Vandy needs to be in it.

The PAC seems to be OK, I really don't care about any of them.

The Big 12 would be great if they could get teams back from the SEC and the B1G