(01-13-2020 12:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 12:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 12:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  OK, conservative friends, I was attacking the FISA court back in 2003-04, when you were defending it because you backed Bush, no matter what. It is one of many horrible violations of civil and constitutional rights that we either started, or accelerated, with the patRIOT act. The kinds of civil and constitutional rights violations that you are seeing now are nothing but par for the course.

I didn't support H.W., and voted for Perot. I damn sure didn't vote for his progeny or was it proxy, W. I voted for my wife. And the Patriot Act seems to have only targeted "patriot's" and their civil liberties. But no fascist can let a crisis pass without centralizing authority. H.W. Bush is the architect of the "Deep State" which was the brainchild of the FED backers going back to the 50's. Prescott Bush was part of secret government long before H.W..
Don't lump conservatives into one basket. It's a broad term under which many enemies of freedom have taken refuge. But then so is "liberal".

I knew HW fairly well from his time at Rice, and liked him as a person very much. I thought W, whom I know much less well than I knew HW, was a good governor of Texas, but my first reaction to his running for president is that I didn't think he was ready for that, and would be in over his head.

My thoughts about the "Deep State" is that it is not so much politicians that make up the "Deep State" as it is unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats. They think they are invincible, which is pretty much true, and that they can do whatever the hell they want to do with no repercussions.

The Bureaucrats are the tools made possible by the figureheads. They don't call the shots, they entrench the power of those who though not necessarily elected do.

The first thing you must remember about all political personalities is that they are never who they appear to be and most sociopaths know exactly how to appear warm and approachable. But none of them rise without the backing of very wealthy and powerful people.

You never look at what they say, or how they act. You always look at what they do. That is Biblical wisdom. We are not to judge (that is form opinions about people based on how they are presented) but rather to discern (know them by what they do).