(02-04-2019 12:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 05:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 05:02 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 04:46 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  I don't understand how what he said is being confused with "baby killing". If a child is born with half a brain, it's spine outside of it's body, half a heart a decision has to be made how long do you wish to continue it's suffering while machines keep it alive. 3rd term abortions are disgusting, but that's not what is being discussed here. My wife is a NICU nurse and this is sadly something families have to go through often. It's not making a choice to kill your baby, it's making a choice to not continue their suffering for your own sake.

Exactly. I mentioned this in another thread, but many of us have had parents of family members dying of cancer or another horrible disease. If it is clear they will not survive without being in terrible agony or struggle, would you not at least want the option of being able to end their suffering?

You liberals have been in dire suffering since Trump was elected. Do I also get that right to put you out of your misery? Or are we only applying this to infanticide?

Exactly what's the difference between infanticide at birth plus 1 minute, and at birth plus 45 years? In fact it might be argued that some of these babies at birth plus 45 years cause much more pain for their parents than at birth plus 1 minute. The infant might be the next Einstein but at birth plus 45 years we know for sure that they are just another useless mouth to feed that harms not only their parents but their siblings and everyone else. Take ANTIFA for instance.

I think you might have something here!

You see folks this is why logic still needs to be taught. Once you make the decision to murder a newborn what's the difference? You are just quibbling over the passage of time. You make this step and mass murder can be justified easily. The thing that pisses me off the most is that these jerks don't see just how much closer they are to a Hitler or Mao like genocide than any of the conservatives. It's why I said that this is a war. We aren't Democrats and Republicans arguing over economic approaches. This is an anarchist movement striking at the heart of our rights, our morals, our heritage, and our heroes in a effort to erase the identity of the United States and replace it with their revisionist, socialists, nightmare in which these idiots tell us what we must do to stay off of their death lists. They are vapid, narcissists bereft of morals and empathy and they are not just another political party. They are the enemy of everything we believe in and stand for.

I think my position has been likely confused by the reply I received. I do not support abortion and obviously do not support killing infants. We have lost too many pregnancies to miscarriage to ever think any life is worth ending.

My original interpretation of his remarks lead me to believe he was saying if a baby was not viable it would be born and then the family and doctors would discuss what course of treatment they would pursue. That is no different than how births are handled now. It's an absolute tragedy that it happens, but there are babies born that are incompatible with life. You can will them to live for a certain period of time but in the end it will not have mattered and the measures they go through can be torturous. Now as umbluegray pointed out the rare miracle happens and God blesses a family, but that is not the case most of the time. Letting a baby go so they do not suffer is not infanticide and something I pray none of you ever have to decide.

Key note to this, the conditions they deem incompatible with life are very limited and the focus shifts from tubes, IVs, and vents to making the baby comfortable so the family can enjoy what little time they have with them.