(01-07-2019 10:35 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 10:14 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-07-2019 09:55 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Hungary proves that border walls/fences work

Go back and reread.

Didn't see anything about Hungary. I did see someone mention Israel which is another solid example of walls/fences working.

Your only substantive point is that cartels and criminals can find ways around a wall/fence so we shouldn't have way. Basically, you seem to be arguing that even if something is 99% effective or even just somewhat effective, we shouldn't bother with it because someone can defeat it on some level. A completely open border surely isn't the answer.

I prefer the Israeli and Hungary approach, i.e. walls and fencing with a strong border patrol force.

Neither Hungary nor Israel have a 2000 mile border, but it has not stopped Palestinians from tunneling in nor has it stopped border violence.