(12-29-2018 08:15 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 08:06 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 06:35 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 09:50 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I would disagree with saying Georgia Southern has a better history than us. FCS history is pretty irrelevant for FBS performance so that doesn't help them. Being FBS for several years ahead of us will be negligible soon enough. Their head start has not been impressive, especially after removing their first year by winning the conference (how bad is the conference when a transitioning school wins it?). They are ahead but it wouldn't take long to eclipse them if they were to stumble again.

I don’t think it would be hard to surpass them but the FCS history does hold weight. They’ve had time to build a passionate fan base. They had a bad coaching hire but they’ve had 9-3, 9-4 and 10-3 seasons since being FBS. They are more established than us.

GS is slightly above us but they have had only two bowl games (both wins to be fair) and haven't finished ranked. A couple bad years for them coupled with good years by us and we would be neck and neck. We had over 1,000 more in average attendance in 2017 despite being FCS.

As for FCS success, it really doesn't mean much. Boise State was much worse than the Idaho Vandals and look how different they were in FBS. UMass was great in FCS.

I get that but those teams also didn’t win SIX national titles. This would be like NDSU moving up. They are better than us right now. I wouldn’t trade spots with them because they fit the SBC we don’t. However, they were, and currently are, a better program than us. Maybe in 5-7 years we pass them but we are the bottom of the FBS right now. An 8+ win year next year and a bowl win would help us move up the ladder.

Agree to disagree with how their FCS success helps them now. I don't think NDSU moving up would automatically put them ahead of Liberty. It is two different levels so the success should be measured that way. Nobody thinks Harvard or the rest of the Ivy League is better even if they have dozens of national championships. They are FCS and thus currently below our level.