(03-11-2018 10:28 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 12:27 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 09:56 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  And Pitt. But the problem or good thing depending on your perspective, you can't fire UNION people no matter how incompetent or corrupt without have to go through these headaches. Then again, I am from a right to work state. UCONN will have to publicly show the NCAA investigation which never goes well. You think someone would have read the contract to avoid such disclosures.

Yeah, ******* unions and their workers rights and fair pay! Who needs weekends anyway? Not me!

IMO, unions have done a lot of good in society. But, particularly in the public sector, they have been a negative influence, because the "bargaining" isn't balanced. The union has a strident interest in benefiting its members (as it should) but on the other side, unlike in the private sector, the public officials don't have the same incentive to bargain hard as well, because they are playing with other people's (taxpayer) money and they don't face the market pressure to make a profit.

The result, particularly up north, has been overly-generous pay and especially retirement packages for public workers that are out of touch with what is happening in the private sector. E.g., the economy tanks, and private sector works face pay cuts and layoffs, but public sector workers roll right along. This is why so many states across the country face huge public pension liabilities that are squeezing the state budgets.

And as UConn is about to experience with Ollie, it is often very hard to get rid of bad public employees. Merely being an unproductive worker isn't enough, there are layers of "due process" protections that have been negotiated that make firing a bad public worker onerous, time consuming and expensive, so the path of least resistance is to just not do it. Again, this is because public organizations don't face the same market profit-imperative that private firms do.

That's the reason Franklin Roosevelt opposed unions in the public sector. He basically said that since governments represent the people, a public employees union would be bargaining against the interests of "the people", and he was right.

Ironic, because these days, public sector unions like AFSCME and the NEA are arguably the staunchest backers of liberal democrat politicians. It's a very cozy relationship: Democrat politicians vote for cushy pay and benefits for public workers, and public unions donate big money to Democrat politician campaigns, and the taxpayer loses.

Yeah look at all those public school teachers living high on the hog. Go walk through a public school teachers parking lot and tell me all those public union people are being paid well.

You know why they need a union? Because they need stability. You can't have your salary being changed every time someone new comes into office.

Public workers have workers rights just like everyone else and they deserve to have their interests represented as an organized front. Most union workers go about their business and don't abuse the system. Very few actually are the F ups who make everyone else look bad.

Ollie has every right to use his union to appeal. UConn could have just fired him for being a bad coach. Pay him his buy out and let him go, BUT UConn tried to screw him out of the money he rightfully negotiated for. Thank god he has a union. Ollie deserves his buyout, its in his contract. This is perfect example of why unions are needed. A large wealthy entity is trying to screw out one of it's employees of what is owed to him.

Go Ollie, get every last cent out of those snakes!

If you recall, I stated it depends on which said of your view was about unions if it was a good or bad thing. This should not turn into a union debate. There are pros and cons to both views. Also, look at where you live. NJ is a union state, NC is not. So there will be a different view of perceptions. Unions can help protect a valuable worker being unfairly treated and it can allow people who couldn't keep a job without union policies. I think it is fair to share, UCONN was not very bright in allowing this in what should be a professional contract that typically does not require or should include union rules. I say all the power to Ollie for using it, I have nothing against him for doing this.