(10-10-2017 04:43 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 04:26 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 04:09 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 02:16 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 01:53 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Can you name them?

Lenin
Stalin
Mao
Pol Pot
Mussolini
Slobodon Milosevic

While it's debatable how much each of these leaders were truly atheist (Stalin studied to be a priest, Pol Pot discussed karma like he was a Buddhist, etc), even with the point conceded that all of these guys were true blue atheists, there is at least a reasonable chance to estimate the amount of murder they committed.

Contrast that with the thousands of years of killing in the name of religion...I think the numbers would not be in favor of religion.

The only reason why Christians and Muslims did not kill more people during the middle ages is simple: they lacked the technology that the people in your list had access to. That is why this is such a fallacious argument. If person A had 5 million people killed while person B had 10 million deaths on his/her hands...it does not mean that person B is twice as evil as person A.

People like to cite the middle ages when talking about "killing in the name of religion." But they never are cognizant of the fact that the Christians doing the killing was FOR THE MOST PART (i'm not denying the burning witches at the steak) retaliatory attacks against the Muslim empire who attacked and took land in the first place.

We’re talking about religion. All 3 Abrahamic religions have blood on their hands. Don’t forget the European colonial empires from the age of exploration thru the 20th century. How many people were butchered for the sake of the crown?

The USA was founded on judeo Christian values. How many native Americans had their land stolen and killed because of American expansion?

How many can't-say-native-Americans-because-they-migrated-from-Eurasia tribes killed other can't-say-native-Americans-because-they-migrated-from-Eurasia tribes before Europeans ever arrived on this continent?