(06-28-2017 11:08 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 10:44 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-28-2017 09:24 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 08:32 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 11:40 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  Yes because who did you beat of note at all in the FBS? App has beaten teams where the talent disparity is not that huge but has yet to beat anyone where the talent disparity is huge. The last time you played the team in the Sun Belt with the highest rated roster they curbed stomped you as well. Also App was the only team with that low rated talent to share a conference title much less have a winning record. So yes hold on to that coach as long as you can because he is beating the odds for now.

Other things play a part in winning like ummm coaching and development that is how a team that lead the FBS or close to it in rushing for two straight years goes to crap with but talent will always be the #1 factor. It is not exact so people use the mentally lazy few examples of a few players or teams that exceed roster expectations and ignore the 90% of other teams and literally thousands of players that perform extremely close if not dead on where the rankings had them. You will not win consistently nor beat any teams of note with low rated talent the vast majority of the time period. One class or two good or bad classes are not going to kill you or change much it is the totality of your roster. We out recruited P5's in 2016 but when you follow that up with being in the bottom 1/4 you probably will remain the same. If we are any team consistently stayed in the 70's when the rest of the conference were in the 90's+ over a long period that team would crush the conference with competent coaching. Just because they are not 100% dead on or predict every game does not mean they don have merit. There is a reason the recruit rankings look a whole hell of a lot like the actual rankings and conference standings. It is a very strong correlation. For every App that greatly exceeds exceptions based on total team talent rank there are ton they fall right inline.

You've been beating this drum for awhile now and it's getting old. If signing three star recruits means success through supoerior talent, you guys should be killing it. You had the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rated classes the past three years. Oh yea I forgot... coaching & philosophy changes. While over that same three years App's classes have ranked (adjusted for players no longer in the program) 6, 7 & 7. Yet here we are fresh off a SB chamapionship, 2 bowl victories and the preseason favorite to win it in 2017. How is that possible? If, as you say, Satterfield has simply been "beating the odds" with low rated players, you're delusional.

App signed twelve 3 star players in the 2013, 14 & 15 classes, only seven stuck (including 1 juco who graduated). One is a starter and six are backups to lower rated players.

3 star .815 RB Tewrrance Upshaw chose App over Vandy & 3 star .820 RB Josh Boyd App over Syracuse and Washington State. Both are career backups to 2 star .778 Marcus Cox and almost no star .699 SB OPOY Jalin Moore.

3 star .845 WR Jalyn Barbour chose App over Wake Forest. Couldn't get on the field and transferred. 3 star .816 Jordan Noil chose App over Maryland then transferred to a juco after his freshman year. 3 star .834 Nikia Cathy originally comitted to Miss State then chose App over Indiana. Could not get on the field and transferred.

3 star .845 DB Treyon Garnett couldn't get on the field and transferred to Alabama State. 3 star .845 DB Anthony Covington signed with App over Pitt. Couldn't get off the scout team and transferred to UNCC.

One more thing. Please stop blabbering on and on about a coach being judged for beating teams with a talent level advantage. Coaches are hired with the expectation of beating teams at their own level. It's laughable that you delegitimize Satterfield for not beating higher rated teams. All while every knowledgeable football analyst in college football considers him to be one of the hottest coaching prospects in the country. Obviously your hatred towards App is simply too great to allow you to see things clearly.

Wow....a ton of dumb and ignorance in there. Again talking about individual teams or players is asinine. That is like saying hey one innocent guy out of tens of thousands got sent to prison so the whole legal system is a sham.... For every player you hold up as a example there are literally hundreds that pan out to their grade and most on your own team. Also the MAJORITY of teams, vast majority in fact, end up right where their total team talent ranking would have them in the conference, rankings and win loss column. Which is the point and one easily understood if you ever stepped on college campus and stumbled into a very basic stats class.

I have also never said a bad word about Sat., I think he is an outstanding coach and you will be lucky to hold on to him past this year if he does what he has done so far. What I am saying is App has only beaten the teams they have relatively similar talent with and have not beaten a single team with a distinct talent advantage like a UM. Even with that it is not an insult to say he is beating the odds, beating the odds is exactly what he is doing as the team ranked around him are not winning anything. So if you have teams all around you in the TOTAL team talent rankings and you are the ONLY one to win a conf much less share one or even have a winning record that is the definition of beating the odds. ArkSt has consistently had the highest rated teams and they consistently win the conf or finish top three.

As for GS, Yes we have until last year been at the top of the Belt and did kill it our first two years...hmmm..what changed oh yeah our coach landed a 1M+ pay day and we hired a 35 year old DC who in turned hired a high school coach to run our offense....Yes I sure that had nothing to do with it. Just like VanGorder had zero affect when he was hired.... Also only one class was distinctly better than most other Belt teams the 2016 class all others while at the top of the Belt were non significantly better than anyone elses. Having the 90th ranked class is not that much different than the 100th yet that could mean being top three in the Belt and 100th being bottom three. Your arguments are mentally lazy and have been destroyed over and over. Also App was #1 in 2014 which would mean your best FBS recruits so far were the most experienced on the team..

My argument is based on fact, yours on the presumption 3 star prospects - and that's all they are - are substantially better than 2 star guys. Had you paid attention to what I said you would know all but one of those players who made that a #1 class are gone. The players left on the roster would now be rated the #7 class. THOSE are the guys who have played a majority of the snaps, won 2 bowl games, a conf championship and made App the 2017 preseason favorite. I continue giving you the rope and you keep hanging yourself. Man oh man were my GA So buddies right about you.

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Your "argument" is based on ONE team- and few players out of thousands and 130 FBS teams not to mention the FCS....I can give hundreds of examples of kids panning out based on their grade for every one of your bust or diamonds and probably 20 teams to every one that significantly over or under performs based on total team talent. Hmm maybe like our own because our three star kids have done really well........Three star is the widest of all the rankings. Like I said a three star can mean you are being recruited by mostly FCS or Alabama Your ignorance of that is proof you have no clue. . Yes a low rated three star is not much different than a kid that barely missed a three star rating....ground breaking genius stuff there...but a high three star is typically light years away from two star talent. So let me blow your mind with this, a high three is not that much different from a low four star rated recruit....oh and high four is probably not that much different than kid that barley made the five star cut...... See all the three's the elite P5's are recruiting for easy fact checking. Also when comparing the entire populations of each star group there are distinct differences in starting, making the NFL and being an All American. I read enough articles and seen the analysis within in them to know that. Try google it works. Your individual examples are just that whether it be team or a few players. Wow a few players out of literally thousands and one team out of 130 did not fit the mold perfectly, yes the whole thing is just a sham I will stick with the vast majority of the data....simple math.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...tComposite

If you want to take the time to run a spread sheet like I did feel free. Please show me all the examples especially towards the bottom where teams with low rated team talent are killing it in wins, rankings, conference championships or bowl games.....or just dont waste your time.

So you know the difference in three stars
HIGH going to a P5
http://247sports.com/Player/Chase-Garbers-80505

LOW went to FCS
http://247sports.com/Player/Kyle-McCloskey-84532

Yes I know it is crazy but there might be a difference in talent...and wow they are both three stars....

If you had two equally qualified coaching staffs but one program signed only two star players and the other only three star players, I know which one I would put my money on winning the match up every year. It may not happen 100 times out of 100, but much more often than not.