(03-19-2017 10:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Let me turn that right back around at you: are you suggesting that by placing a massive sanction upon one school/athletic dept, one time, that extreme penalty will scare all other schools into falling in line, forever??

Didn't work. (SMU)
Doesn't work. (Penn St, UNC, Baylor, ... there will be more)

Okay, I'm game. Then what would you prefer? No sanctions ever? Major fine to the institution? Barring coaches and administrators caught engaging in unethical and/or illegal practices from working again? I'm fine all of those things. However, to just throw your hands in the air and say, "Well, what can you do? This is for the courts to decide and we should all go about our business and forget all about this nastiness." I am absolutely NOT fine with that.

(03-19-2017 10:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  No no, it was far less noble that that. It was a naked power grab.

Again, I have no idea where you are coming from? By whom specifically and for what purpose.

NOTE: Please don't say "The NCAA" as some sort of nameless, faceless nebulous concept. I want to know who specifically and for what practical reason? I can think of a lot of EXTREMELY POWERFUL entities that would be highly financially motivated to protect one the college athletics' largest revenue generators. However, I don't understand the other side of the argument so please enlighten me.

(03-19-2017 10:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Believe me, the NCAA would love to be thought of as an enforcer to be dealt with, rather than the accountant sitting behind a desk that it currently is.

Look at that - we agree on something. However, you have a peculiar way of demonstrating your stated goal of stricter enforcement. Or do you just want stricter enforcement for other schools that get caught straying from ethical and/or legal standards?

(03-19-2017 10:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I'll instead take the viewpoint that they never should've been involved, in the first place.

Again, I'm pretty much on board here. However, how does a victim get a fair trial in a company town when said company is Big State U? I guess that's for the courts to sort out?

Still, if this isn't textbook "lack of institutional control," then what is? You had the key decision makers of the university conspiring to cover up child rape in a brazen effort to protect the image of the once pristine and completely fabricated image of the football program. If that's not a lack of institutional control, I don't know what is?

(03-19-2017 10:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  what is the point of having a lack of institutional control rule if you're not going to invoke it there?

Sorry Dr., but I just can't abide by such a faulty opinion.

That's zero different than saying "Well jeez, we've got all these intercontinental nuclear missiles ... when are we gonna fire off one of damn things?!?"

You never fire it. That's the point.[/quote]

That's a really silly analogy.

It's more like saying, "Hey here is a case where the defendants fit the textbook definition of murder but we can't charge the suspects with murder because....uh...hey, look, an albino pigeon. Have you ever seen such a thing?"

(03-19-2017 10:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  In other words ... a few individuals at the top decided to perform the crime of a cover-up.

The motives for their cover-up were the same motives as every cover-up in history. The only point of a cover-up is that you are trying to protect a person and/or organization, not because you believe the original crimes were justified.

So what is your point??

What's my point?! What's MY point?! What do you think my point is?! My point is that they chose to protect the image of their football program over the very real health and well being of children who were raped. These emails PROVE that fact - whether anyone wants to admit it or not. That's my point.

(03-19-2017 10:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  They were sadly confused young people. Nothing more.

And they were doing it solely for Paterno. An individual.

Right. They were doing it for Kim Jong Paterno - their all-knowing and virtuous leader.

This happens all the time though, right. Just you people being young people. Would you please remind me where in the history of athletics this has happened elsewhere - where a town literally rioted in the streets because their coach was fired?

I'm all ears.