It is not widely known, although I have seen it documented in several different places, but the Penn program was in such dire straits that there were fears it would go under at the time they hired Berndt. In order to prevent that, the Ivy League decided to give them a number of admissions exceptions. So while at Penn, Jerry was able to recruit people that the other Ivies couldn't. Obviously, when he got to Rice, the shoe was totally on the other foot. With a level playing field, I don't think he was as good as his record at Penn or as bad as his record at Rice.