(01-09-2012 02:09 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  

(01-09-2012 11:36 AM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(01-09-2012 11:02 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  The unwritten thing is Dr. Stanton mortgaged the university to get these things done. The new dorms aren't paid for, they're being paid for by the students. All he did was get a token approval for bonds and debt service.
Dr. Stanton did accomplish some nice things, but even he knows that his legacy will ALWAYS be tied to dropping football.
I compare him alot to former POTUS George W. Bush. I don't believe neither are bad guys. I believe that both are incredibly intelligent overrall. Both of their problems resulted from not being surrounded by the right people, really great people to give him the information he needed to be so incredibly effective that the university would truly grow.
They gave the stat that more are living on campus, and that's great. 9 percent increase. Again it's not something he directly accomplished. How much has to do with the lottery scholarship and the lack of safe, affordable rental property around the campus? There's really not that much when you think about it. Not when you consider ETSU has almost 15,000 students. Compare it to Radford, there are apartment complexes completely around that campus, ETSU has Criminole Ridge or whatever it's called.
I guess ultimately, Dr. Stanton's body of work was good, but not great. He'll always be remembered for the football decision, and creating the disconnect between alumni and the university.
I hope it can be repaired with Dr. Noland.

was the university supposed to pay cash? dave ramsay may say so, but to the point, the university is in fine financial shape. i dont see the relavancy.

the university has grown. just not in the area of football. there is plenty of affordable housing around off-campus. they just built a huge complex accross the street. it still increased by 9%. thats better than a 9% decrease. yes... radford...everyone seems to be doing better than etsu, at least to some.

And as for the disconnect between the alumni and university...maybe so with a certain section of alumni, but not neccessarily the section that gives back to etsu.

http://www.etsu.edu/calendar/EventList.a...n_id=18886

The part that gives to ETSU is so small compared to the amount of alumni spread around it's insane. We've had this discussion before, where are the alumni chapters? Knoxville? Nashville? Memphis? Atlanta? Raleigh? Charlotte? There are alot more alumni NOT donating back to ETSU than currently do. That's a problem.
And yes, the living situation for off campus housing at Radford blows Johnson City out of the water, as it does even in tiny Duluth, Minnesota. (UM-D and ETSU have similar enrollment figures, comparable campuses.)
And yes, most schools have the ability to raise the funds privately and get things done, ETSU has continued to use bonds/debt service like a crutch to build things. And while I understand most schools do it, it would be nice one time to hear that ETSU built something that they weren't financing or getting from stimulus money.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what we think, it's what the perception of the university is, and the biggest way you can tell how alumni truly feel is whether or not they give back.

i would rather have a small group that donated alot vs. a large group that did not. but, it is true that etsu needs everyone to give back.

UM-Duluth....how could i have missed how posh their off-campus housing is??? Those northern minnasotans know how to live i guess...

name one...how about the warren-green golf center. i believe it was done through private donations.

maybe its the perception of the alumni that you have been in touch with. what is the perception of the other 98% that you have not talked to? you are painting with a broad brush when making statements like that imo.