Quote:Where do you see jealousy?

Throughout your posts.

Quote:As I said (quoting Oliver Wendell Holmes), taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.

Taxes pay for our national defense. Taxes pay for the interstate highways that promote commerce. Taxes pay for health care for poor people, helping make them more productive. Taxes help pay for education, which protects our democratic way of life.

Taxes have helped build America and keep her strong.

Yes they have, I disagree with none of that. However you carry it further and say that people who make more money should be gauged and punished for doing so.

Quote:And it is this America that has been especially good the Cheneys.

I see no reason why they Cheneys can't afford to give a little more back and keep America strong.

He does give more back than you. He gives more back than 90% of Americans. Under a flat tax, he would still be giving back more than most Americans. The problem is you think it's up to YOU to determine what his "fair share" is. What qualifies YOU, or anyone else, to determine what SOMEONE ELSE can afford to give back? Nothing.

Quote:Because, under the progressive tax system we've had in America for nearly a century, middle class families have never paid as great a percentage of their income to the federal government as do the wealthy.

Under a flat tax, most of that burden would be shifted away from the wealthy and onto middle class families.

Congratulations, you still didn't provide a logical argument.

The middle class today pay between 25 and 28% of their income in taxes. Yet you're trying to make the argument that under a 17-19% flat tax they'd be paying more. Explain how. I've been asking this for two days now and you have yet to tell me how. And just a clue, "They just would be" isn't a logical argument, and to date that's all you've offered.

Quote:Considering we've had a progressive income tax in America for nearly a century, I'd gently suggest you are mistaken.

How? Explain to me how the mindset that government can take from you that which they think is "your fair share" isn't a communist/socialist mentality? Explain how the idea that government should be able to tax people into equality. That is what you are advocating, and it reeks of communist manifesto.

Quote:It is the flat taxers that want to turn a century of history on its head.

I'm willing to do that to make a decision that is FAIR and helps this country. You, like every other lib in this country, prefer to keep the status quo and even raise the tax burden on those in this country who are successful in accordance with some perverted idea as to what constitutes fair.