(06-03-2020 03:05 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 02:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 02:29 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 12:55 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 12:42 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Nobody's doing that. The Minneapolis police issues are being ascribed to the people in charge of Minneapolis. As it happens, those people are Democrats.

Are you arguing that because they are Democrats, they should be excused by the voters instead of voted out of office? If not, then just what is your point?


Do you have a hard time believing that a change in leadership would improve the situation? If you do, then why hold any politician of either party accountable for anything? If the incumbents in Minneapolis run for re-election, then how - pray tell - can the voters change the leadership, except by voting for their opponents?

There are certain issues that I think are easier to pin responsibility on the current party in charge than others. There are plenty of issues that the Democrats fumble and I'd agree that voting against them on that basis makes sense. This simply isn't one of those IMO.

Taking a snapshot of the country right now... things are pretty damn bleak. Are you going to assign blame to the Republicans who have been in charge for the past 3 1/2 years for our current situation?

Credit - and blame - to each where it is due.

That's what "nuance" means in this context.

You're using nuance as a smokescreen - because the current leadership of the Minneapolis police aren't entirely responsible, you say voters shouldn't hold them at all responsible.

By this do you mean the senior leaders in the police department or do you mean the Governor of Minnesota and the Mayor of Minneapolis?

Deliberate obtuseness is the most annoying of stall tactics.

Ummm... I actually wasn't sure what you meant. In terms of elected officials, a previous poster mentioned the governor, the mayor, two senators, a congressman, and a previous DA. None of these people would be included in a list of the leadership of the Minnesota police.

When you said, "because the current leadership of the Minneapolis police aren't entirely responsible, you say voters shouldn't hold them at all responsible" I was confused as to whom you were referring. I'm assuming that voters don't pick the actual leaders of the police department? Maybe the sheriff gets elected? Not sure if the other police leadership would be there due to appointments or seniority?

So some confusion on my part but not deliberate obtuseness.

Also... this is not a live debate. It's an internet forum where we post whenever we feel like it. Not sure why one would feel the need to employ a "stall tactic" here.