(04-05-2019 05:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-04-2019 10:51 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-04-2019 10:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-04-2019 09:52 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There is no basis to view Genesis as allegorical other that the readers desire for it to be allegorical. Jesus certainly did not teach it as allegory in the NT, nor did the disciples. They taught it was absolutely literal.
If its allegorical, then you really aren't going to be judged by God on judgment day, and the judgment is not eternal or final as it says it is. Thus the reader is free to make up their own truth from their own imagination and feelings, and live their life as they see best, and not seek the will of their Father in Heaven.
For those who actually have read the first 11 chapter of genesis, if its not literal and just an allegory then Jesus cannot save you, and the entire basis of Christianity and the gospel is just a fantasy with zero basis in reality.

So if the world wasn't created in 7 days of 24 hours each, 168 hours total, then that means Jesus cannot save you? I fail to see the logic. I simply cannot connect how old the world is to any salvation issue. And I don't believe Jesus ever addressed that specific issue, although I would appreciate it if you could show me where He did.
The Bible can certainly be literal in every way connected to salvation. That does not mean that it has to be literal about everything.

I did not say salvation was dependent upon a literal 7 day creation, did I? What did I actually say in my post?

You said (restating the bolded part above), "For those who actually have read the first 11 chapter of genesis, if its not literal and just an allegory then Jesus cannot save you, and the entire basis of Christianity and the gospel is just a fantasy with zero basis in reality." You've allowed two, and so far as I can tell only two, possibilities--either the first 11 chapters of Genesis are literal, or Jesus cannot save you. I don't see where you leave room for anything else. If the first 11 chapters of Genesis is literal, then the world was created in 7 days. If you don't believe it is literal, you said, then Jesus cannot save you. It either literal, which means a 7 day creation, or Jesus cannot save you. That's what your words say. If you mean something else, please clarify.

Well I have actually read and studied the first 11 chapters of genesis? Have you because it really sounds like you have not.

Yes I did say Christianity have no basis of foundation without the first 11 chapters, notice I did NOT say you have to believe the first 7 days are literal to be saved. Two VERY different statements.

Without the first 11 chapters of genesis, there is no foundation or understanding of what sin is, there is no basis for man to be sinners or fallen at all. there is no basis for salvation, and there is no basis for a Savoir. The entire foundation and beginning of Jesus begin in the first few chapters of Genesis falls from perfection, God passes judgement on man, woman and Satan, and God lays out the path of salvation through the seed of the woman. How is Jesus going to save you if Sin is not real, man never falls, and God never decrees a Savior to Redeem all of mankind?

Jesus came into the world to solve the problem of sin that started in real, time-space history in the real Garden of Eden with two real people called Adam and Eve and a real serpent that spoke to Eve. The sin of Adam and Eve resulted in spiritual and physical death for them, but also a divine curse on all of the once “"very good"” creation (see Genesis 1:31 and 3:14–19). Jesus is coming again to liberate all Christians and the creation itself from that bondage to corruption (Romans 8:18–25). Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells and where sin, death, and natural evils will be no more. A non-literal reading of Genesis destroys this message of the Bible and ultimately is an assault on the character of God.