(10-01-2018 12:47 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(10-01-2018 11:46 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Interesting that a thread about racism so quickly devolves into a series of characterizations and attacks on those characterizations.
I think the simple fact is that a party that believes in small Federal government and local control is going to want to consolidate Health and Human Services and the DOE back into something more like the H, E and W department from which it came, while the party that believes in large central government and central control is going to want to further separate Health and Human Services into their own departments.
I think it also obvious that alleging 'racism' (or most other ism's) is an effective way to shout people down or at the least, put them on the defensive to derail their agenda, which only rarely has anything to do with race. It's the sort of deflection that then becomes self-fulfilling.
The most recent tact has been to claim that 'attacking Nazi's' is or should be okay, and then we go about defining who is and isn't a Nazi.... which iirc, was precisely how the Nazi's worked.

It's a bit ironic, then, that the same party has a knee jerk reaction to reevaluating and consolidating ICE, an agency that was created during the administrative bloat that sprung forth around safety after 9/11.

Not really. That party believes that ICE has a valid mission to perform, but that splitting HEW to HHS and DofEd was simply bureaucratic over creep without advancing any legitimate mission. Spending on education has skyrocketed since the DofEd was created, with no measurable improvement, and in fact measurable decline in performance. We spend much more per pupil on education that other advanced countries, and get results that are mediocre at best. When the same was said about health care, wasn't that considered proof beyond contest that our susyem had failed?

Quote:I would also think that this party would be very wary over encouraging federal officials (and state, for that matter) from being able to check people's legal status (i.e. passport, driver's license, etc.) without probable cause (which ICE has been reported doing on a regular basis).

We have so many violations of 4th Amendment and other protections that this hardly seems the place to start. This is clearly not the most egregious violation. Not by a long shot.