(08-27-2018 09:47 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:40 PM)Momus Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 09:17 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 07:39 PM)Momus Wrote:  It doesn’t matter if obtaining an ID is difficult in general or easy in general. The point is that in the aggregate there are some people who don’t have ID and won’t get an ID, and those people tend to be older and minority voters who skew Democratic. So the GOP sees an opportunity to do what they do best, implement policies with a thin veneer of legitimacy that hurt minorities more than anyone else. That’s been the GOP game plan for decades, and their racially motivated base loves it.

So you are saying these voters are too stupid to get and maintain an ID? If a person doesn’t choose to get an ID, that is their decision, and decisions have consequences.
I see you just had to throw the race card in, it appears you are the racist by insinuating minorities don’t have the wherewithal to get and keep an ID.
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You’re projecting what appears to be your own thoughts. I’m dealing with the reality of the situation which is that some people don’t have ID for whatever reason, and the GOP loves voter ID laws because people without ID tend to be elderly and minority voters. Don’t even begin to pretend that the right-wing gives a damn about election security. They give a damn about suppressing turnout by traditional Democratic groups.

Hmm, talk about projection, you're doing a pretty good job yourself. The left wing clearly doesn't care about election security. Correction, they do care, they don't want election security. Because that makes it harder for them to cheat.

There is no method other than some method of voter ID to ensure that the person standing there claiming to be John Doe registered to vote in this precinct is in fact John Doe and is in fact registered to vote in this precinct. So there is no way to identify impersonation voter fraud, and thus no way to have a clue how rampant it is.

I will bet you this, that there were enough fraudulent votes on both sides to have swung the contest for Florida's electoral votes in 2000 either way. And that is hardly insignificant.

Your claim is wholly untrue. A photo ID isn’t the only method to verify ID, nor is it the most reliable. We could collect biometric data on every voter! That can’t be forged, and we all know forgery is a real issue. Of course I’m sure many right-leaning, and particularly libertarian types, will object to such measures and may forego their right to vote rather than hand over biometric data to their local election board, but that’s the price of election security, right? Or do you only support solutions (to negligible issues) that suppress Democratic voters?