(08-24-2018 12:34 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  By in large democrat elected officials aren't talking impeachment. They want to run against Trump. Running against corrupt incompetence is promising. From a strategic political standpoint they don't need to run on impeachment and they don't need to impeach.

From a standpoint of someone who cares about his country I'd take Trump being removed for Pence in a heartbeat, despite the fact that I think Pence would be a more effective president at enacting domestic policies I disagree with. I don't want an incompetent, cable news obsessed president only motivated by self glory, representing us on the global stage. While Trump's general incompetence has prevented him from doing much damage domestically (some bad tariffs that will increase costs, a tax cut designed to shift more money to the top 1%, and skyrocket the deficits), his incompetence on the global stage could be incredibly detrimental long term. He can't speak intelligently for any measure of time on any issues, but particularly global issues. Trump doesn't have the knowledge or work ethic to build the support he needs for drastic domestic changes (which would need to go through Congress...he's done what he could basically by executive decree), but on foreign policy issues the president has incredible power and I'll take losing on issues I care about to restore competence to that realm.