(09-22-2015 02:18 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  you didn't ask me, but i think the issue with the dems is who draws outside the base?

I think Hillary has strong support from a group of dems too small to win the general election... and no support from the disaffected who flocked to Obama and now somewhat flock to Bernie. And worse for her, she motivates the base on the right to vote against her.

This is the election that an 'outsider' can win. Establishment Republicans who might not otherwise 'aggressively' support someone like Paul or Trump would come out in droves if they were up against Hillary... and Establishment Dems who wouldn't otherwise aggressively support Sanders would similarly do so if Bush were nominated.

That presents four scenarios:

Establishment vs. Establishment (Bush vs. Clinton)
GOP Establishment vs. Dem Outsider (Bush vs. Sanders)
GOP Outsider vs. Dem Establishment (Paul vs. Clinton)
Outsider vs. Outsider (Paul vs. Sanders)

Who wins?

Have we ever had an Outsider vs. Outsider election?