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(11-28-2020 01:46 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I'm watching Maryland now. Not a hot take Pennix is trash.

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Yep.

(11-28-2020 03:10 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 01:46 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I'm watching Maryland now. Not a hot take Pennix is trash.

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Yep.

Say what you want about the AAC but we have some pretty good QB’s and good offenses in the league— Ridder, Gabriel, Buechele, Brady White, Houston’s QB.. heck even Colton Ahlers’s when he is on (see this past weekend).

I look at the way the staff has built up our defense depth, particularly in the back 7 to defend these offenses and realize a lot of schools, even in the P5, do not have the personnel to handle these types of systems like we do. Regardless of how good your starting DBs are, you need to have good depth to go 60 minutes with these vertical systems.

(11-30-2020 09:18 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 03:10 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(11-28-2020 01:46 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I'm watching Maryland now. Not a hot take Pennix is trash.

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Yep.

Say what you want about the AAC but we have some pretty good QB’s and good offenses in the league— Ridder, Gabriel, Buechele, Brady White, Houston’s QB.. heck even Colton Ahlers’s when he is on (see this past weekend).

I look at the way the staff has built up our defense depth, particularly in the back 7 to defend these offenses and realize a lot of schools, even in the P5, do not have the personnel to handle these types of systems like we do. Regardless of how good your starting DBs are, you need to have good depth to go 60 minutes with these vertical systems.

Bolded, a great point. What happened to SMU Saturday is essentially what happened to UC when it was ambushed down in Greenville last season. The key difference being UC struggled offensively in that game but had the defensive depth to do just enough to come home with a victory. I think that bodes well for a NY6 game if UC draws an opponent with a high flying passing game this year.

Coming back to the original topic of this thread. Count me in as one of those firmly in the pro-Bryant / anti-Ridder camp at the beginning of this season. But I have absolutely changed my mind since mid-October. Ridder still lacks great accuracy on downfield (10 yards+) passing but he's proficient enough in that area that combined with his amazing running skills and escapability it makes him a pleasure to watch.

For those wondering. Here's how Ridder matches up to past UC QB's.

Ridder
QBR - 156
Comp % - 67%
TD:INT Ratio - 2.7:1

Gunner Kiels (best season 2014)
QBR - 149
Comp % - 60%
TD:INT Ratio - 2.4:1

Brendon Kay (2013)
QBR - 149
Comp % - 66%
TD:INT Ratio - 1.9:1

Zach Collaros (2011)
QBR - 138
Comp % - 59%
TD:INT Ratio - 1.9:1

Tony Pike (2009)
QBR - 150
Comp % - 62%
TD:INT Ratio - 4.8:1

Ben Mauk (2007)
QBR - 151
Comp % - 61%
TD:INT Ratio - 3.4:1

Gino Guidugli (best season 2004)
QBR - 147
Comp % - 61%
TD:INT Ratio - 3.3:1

Rushing Comparison
Desmond Ridder - 67 rushes, 526 yards, 7.9 avg.
Brendon Kay - 48 rushes, 306 yards, 6.4 avg
Yes, that's correct. Of those QB's listed, Brendon Kay had the best rushing season. Well ahead of Collaros who I always remembered as a running QB.

(12-02-2020 12:56 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Coming back to the original topic of this thread. Count me in as one of those firmly in the pro-Bryant / anti-Ridder camp at the beginning of this season. But I have absolutely changed my mind since mid-October. Ridder still lacks great accuracy on downfield (10 yards+) passing but he's proficient enough in that area that combined with his amazing running skills and escapability it makes him a pleasure to watch.

For those wondering. Here's how Ridder matches up to past UC QB's.

Ridder
QBR - 156
Comp % - 67%
TD:INT Ratio - 2.7:1

Gunner Kiels (best season 2014)
QBR - 149
Comp % - 60%
TD:INT Ratio - 2.4:1

Brendon Kay (2013)
QBR - 149
Comp % - 66%
TD:INT Ratio - 1.9:1

Zach Collaros (2011)
QBR - 138
Comp % - 59%
TD:INT Ratio - 1.9:1

Tony Pike (2009)
QBR - 150
Comp % - 62%
TD:INT Ratio - 4.8:1

Ben Mauk (2007)
QBR - 151
Comp % - 61%
TD:INT Ratio - 3.4:1

Gino Guidugli (best season 2004)
QBR - 147
Comp % - 61%
TD:INT Ratio - 3.3:1

Rushing Comparison
Desmond Ridder - 67 rushes, 526 yards, 7.9 avg.
Brendon Kay - 48 rushes, 306 yards, 6.4 avg
Yes, that's correct. Of those QB's listed, Brendon Kay had the best rushing season. Well ahead of Collaros who I always remembered as a running QB.

Kay's number was so proficient because Eddie Gran likes to run the QB, even if he can't (see UK).

Des has been the greatest running QB in UC history, bar none. His rushing stats now are so proficient, he has surpassed some of our best running backs on some all-time rushing lists. He only needs four more rushing TDs to have more TDs than anyone in school history except for DeMarco McCluskey, Michael Warren, David Small and Isaiah Pead. 400 more yards rushing will place him in the Top 10 all-time yardage list.

I forgot how good Tony Pike was. 4.8:1 TD/Int ratio, and he could take it deep.

(12-02-2020 03:11 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I forgot how good Tony Pike was. 4.8:1 TD/Int ratio, and he could take it deep.

Yep, if you compare statistics and team performance to other QB finalists, it was downright criminal that Pike didn't garner some Heisman votes. In many ways, I think Collaros coming in and down what he did against Louisville, Syracuse, and UConn killed Pike's chances. If Pike played all 13 games that year, he would've been right up there with McCoy and Ingram IMO.

(12-02-2020 12:56 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Rushing Comparison
Desmond Ridder - 67 rushes, 526 yards, 7.9 avg.
Brendon Kay - 48 rushes, 306 yards, 6.4 avg
Yes, that's correct. Of those QB's listed, Brendon Kay had the best rushing season. Well ahead of Collaros who I always remembered as a running QB.

The rushing stats are wrong....Collaros had 344 yards on 61 carries in 2009 and Munchie had 335 yards on 55 carries so unless you're going by rate stats instead of bulk yardage, the statement about Brendan's rushing is incorrect.

Obviously the fact still remains that we haven't had a rushing QB like this in the modern era...I'm honestly shocked one of the oldies hasn't come in here yelling about Brig Owens or Albert Johnson yet though.

There are a lot more pieces and tweets about Ridder RE:NFL, with many people basically saying he has taken the place of Kellen Mond in the tweener area between the Trask/Wilson/Jones tier and the next group of QBs, and could easily go in the 3rd or 4th round this year if things keep up.

(12-02-2020 03:26 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Yep, if you compare statistics and team performance to other QB finalists, it was downright criminal that Pike didn't garner some Heisman votes. In many ways, I think Collaros coming in and down what he did against Louisville, Syracuse, and UConn killed Pike's chances. If Pike played all 13 games that year, he would've been right up there with McCoy and Ingram IMO.

I don't think he would have won it because Alabama was #1 and Ingram had a great year but Pike would definitely have made it to NY if he didn't get hurt. He didn't put up a ton of numbers because he had injuries in the two years he started but he was a really talented QB; he's actually a fun radio personality too.

(12-02-2020 03:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 12:56 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Rushing Comparison
Desmond Ridder - 67 rushes, 526 yards, 7.9 avg.
Brendon Kay - 48 rushes, 306 yards, 6.4 avg
Yes, that's correct. Of those QB's listed, Brendon Kay had the best rushing season. Well ahead of Collaros who I always remembered as a running QB.

The rushing stats are wrong....Collaros had 344 yards on 61 carries in 2009 and Munchie had 335 yards on 55 carries so unless you're going by rate stats instead of bulk yardage, the statement about Brendan's rushing is incorrect.

Obviously the fact still remains that we haven't had a rushing QB like this in the modern era...I'm honestly shocked one of the oldies hasn't come in here yelling about Brig Owens or Albert Johnson yet though.

There are a lot more pieces and tweets about Ridder RE:NFL, with many people basically saying he has taken the place of Kellen Mond in the tweener area between the Trask/Wilson/Jones tier and the next group of QBs, and could easily go in the 3rd or 4th round this year if things keep up.

You edited your response before I had a chance to complete my post, but I saw that you originally made a comment about old-timers comparing Ridder's rushing yardage to Albert Johnson and Brig Owens. Des' numbers this year are off the chart, but Des' first two years were very comparable to Owens and for 2/3 of Johnson's years. Ridder is a far superior passer than those two though. Note: I am not old enough to have seen either in person. Des is > than those two IMHO.

Ridder
2018- 149 rushes/583 yards 3.9 avg 5 TDs
2019- 144 rushes/650 yards 4.5 avg 5 TDs
2020- 67 rushes/526 yards 7.9 avg 11 TDs (thru 8 games)

Owens (only two seasons as he was a JUCO transfer)
1963- 121/556 yards 4.6 avg 6 TDS (10 games)
1964- 147 rushes/658 yards 4.5 avg 6 TDs (10 games)

Johnson
1969- 129 rushes/198 yards 1.5 avg 5 TDs (10 games)
1970- 194 rushes/895 yards 4.6 avg 8 TDs (11 games)
1971- 172 rushes/556 yards 3.2 avg 5 TDs (11 games)

(12-02-2020 03:26 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:11 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I forgot how good Tony Pike was. 4.8:1 TD/Int ratio, and he could take it deep.

Yep, if you compare statistics and team performance to other QB finalists, it was downright criminal that Pike didn't garner some Heisman votes. In many ways, I think Collaros coming in and down what he did against Louisville, Syracuse, and UConn killed Pike's chances. If Pike played all 13 games that year, he would've been right up there with McCoy and Ingram IMO.

I was one of the 20 or so people to buy a Pike For Heisman shirt online before the cease and desist letter from UC and the NCAA shut it down. Lol.

We ran into he and his friends at the OSU game in 2014 (?) while my oldest son was wearing it...he got a kick out of it.

(12-03-2020 11:27 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:26 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:11 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I forgot how good Tony Pike was. 4.8:1 TD/Int ratio, and he could take it deep.

Yep, if you compare statistics and team performance to other QB finalists, it was downright criminal that Pike didn't garner some Heisman votes. In many ways, I think Collaros coming in and down what he did against Louisville, Syracuse, and UConn killed Pike's chances. If Pike played all 13 games that year, he would've been right up there with McCoy and Ingram IMO.

I was one of the 20 or so people to buy a Pike For Heisman shirt online before the cease and desist letter from UC and the NCAA shut it down. Lol.

We ran into he and his friends at the OSU game in 2014 (?) while my oldest son was wearing it...he got a kick out of it.

Fun tailgate. Subflea brought the 2 hearted

(12-02-2020 03:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 12:56 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Rushing Comparison
Desmond Ridder - 67 rushes, 526 yards, 7.9 avg.
Brendon Kay - 48 rushes, 306 yards, 6.4 avg
Yes, that's correct. Of those QB's listed, Brendon Kay had the best rushing season. Well ahead of Collaros who I always remembered as a running QB.

The rushing stats are wrong....Collaros had 344 yards on 61 carries in 2009 and Munchie had 335 yards on 55 carries so unless you're going by rate stats instead of bulk yardage, the statement about Brendan's rushing is incorrect.

Obviously the fact still remains that we haven't had a rushing QB like this in the modern era...I'm honestly shocked one of the oldies hasn't come in here yelling about Brig Owens or Albert Johnson yet though.

There are a lot more pieces and tweets about Ridder RE:NFL, with many people basically saying he has taken the place of Kellen Mond in the tweener area between the Trask/Wilson/Jones tier and the next group of QBs, and could easily go in the 3rd or 4th round this year if things keep up.

I just don’t see it. I think he has turned around his season and doing great, but I don’t think he has the elite athleticism to be a “running” type QB in the NFL ala Lamar or Mike Vick. And I don’t think he has the accuracy or skillset...yet.

(12-02-2020 02:10 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 12:56 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Coming back to the original topic of this thread. Count me in as one of those firmly in the pro-Bryant / anti-Ridder camp at the beginning of this season. But I have absolutely changed my mind since mid-October. Ridder still lacks great accuracy on downfield (10 yards+) passing but he's proficient enough in that area that combined with his amazing running skills and escapability it makes him a pleasure to watch.

For those wondering. Here's how Ridder matches up to past UC QB's.

Ridder
QBR - 156
Comp % - 67%
TD:INT Ratio - 2.7:1

Gunner Kiels (best season 2014)
QBR - 149
Comp % - 60%
TD:INT Ratio - 2.4:1

Brendon Kay (2013)
QBR - 149
Comp % - 66%
TD:INT Ratio - 1.9:1

Zach Collaros (2011)
QBR - 138
Comp % - 59%
TD:INT Ratio - 1.9:1

Tony Pike (2009)
QBR - 150
Comp % - 62%
TD:INT Ratio - 4.8:1

Ben Mauk (2007)
QBR - 151
Comp % - 61%
TD:INT Ratio - 3.4:1

Gino Guidugli (best season 2004)
QBR - 147
Comp % - 61%
TD:INT Ratio - 3.3:1

Rushing Comparison
Desmond Ridder - 67 rushes, 526 yards, 7.9 avg.
Brendon Kay - 48 rushes, 306 yards, 6.4 avg
Yes, that's correct. Of those QB's listed, Brendon Kay had the best rushing season. Well ahead of Collaros who I always remembered as a running QB.

Kay's number was so proficient because Eddie Gran likes to run the QB, even if he can't (see UK).

Des has been the greatest running QB in UC history, bar none. His rushing stats now are so proficient, he has surpassed some of our best running backs on some all-time rushing lists. He only needs four more rushing TDs to have more TDs than anyone in school history except for DeMarco McCluskey, Michael Warren, David Small and Isaiah Pead. 400 more yards rushing will place him in the Top 10 all-time yardage list.

He has had a few big hitters on the read option, but I think he is far more dangerous when he drops back and then just decides to take off. Totally catches the defense with their pants down.

(12-03-2020 11:44 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 12:56 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Rushing Comparison
Desmond Ridder - 67 rushes, 526 yards, 7.9 avg.
Brendon Kay - 48 rushes, 306 yards, 6.4 avg
Yes, that's correct. Of those QB's listed, Brendon Kay had the best rushing season. Well ahead of Collaros who I always remembered as a running QB.

The rushing stats are wrong....Collaros had 344 yards on 61 carries in 2009 and Munchie had 335 yards on 55 carries so unless you're going by rate stats instead of bulk yardage, the statement about Brendan's rushing is incorrect.

Obviously the fact still remains that we haven't had a rushing QB like this in the modern era...I'm honestly shocked one of the oldies hasn't come in here yelling about Brig Owens or Albert Johnson yet though.

There are a lot more pieces and tweets about Ridder RE:NFL, with many people basically saying he has taken the place of Kellen Mond in the tweener area between the Trask/Wilson/Jones tier and the next group of QBs, and could easily go in the 3rd or 4th round this year if things keep up.

I just don’t see it. I think he has turned around his season and doing great, but I don’t think he has the elite athleticism to be a “running” type QB in the NFL ala Lamar or Mike Vick. And I don’t think he has the accuracy or skillset...yet.

Neither do I...but the Jets making Christian Hackenburg a millionaire proved that many people only see what they want to see in a prospect.

(12-03-2020 11:44 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 12:56 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Rushing Comparison
Desmond Ridder - 67 rushes, 526 yards, 7.9 avg.
Brendon Kay - 48 rushes, 306 yards, 6.4 avg
Yes, that's correct. Of those QB's listed, Brendon Kay had the best rushing season. Well ahead of Collaros who I always remembered as a running QB.

The rushing stats are wrong....Collaros had 344 yards on 61 carries in 2009 and Munchie had 335 yards on 55 carries so unless you're going by rate stats instead of bulk yardage, the statement about Brendan's rushing is incorrect.

Obviously the fact still remains that we haven't had a rushing QB like this in the modern era...I'm honestly shocked one of the oldies hasn't come in here yelling about Brig Owens or Albert Johnson yet though.

There are a lot more pieces and tweets about Ridder RE:NFL, with many people basically saying he has taken the place of Kellen Mond in the tweener area between the Trask/Wilson/Jones tier and the next group of QBs, and could easily go in the 3rd or 4th round this year if things keep up.

I just don’t see it. I think he has turned around his season and doing great, but I don’t think he has the elite athleticism to be a “running” type QB in the NFL ala Lamar or Mike Vick. And I don’t think he has the accuracy or skillset...yet.

Keep in mind that they are viewing it from a potential perspective of what he could be if his talent were maximized. Ridder does have a lot of athleticism, size, decent arm strength, etc...

I don’t see him being an NFL starter, but if he continues playing like he has over the last 4-5 weeks, then he will be drafted eventually.

(12-04-2020 04:56 AM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 11:44 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 03:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 12:56 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Rushing Comparison
Desmond Ridder - 67 rushes, 526 yards, 7.9 avg.
Brendon Kay - 48 rushes, 306 yards, 6.4 avg
Yes, that's correct. Of those QB's listed, Brendon Kay had the best rushing season. Well ahead of Collaros who I always remembered as a running QB.

The rushing stats are wrong....Collaros had 344 yards on 61 carries in 2009 and Munchie had 335 yards on 55 carries so unless you're going by rate stats instead of bulk yardage, the statement about Brendan's rushing is incorrect.

Obviously the fact still remains that we haven't had a rushing QB like this in the modern era...I'm honestly shocked one of the oldies hasn't come in here yelling about Brig Owens or Albert Johnson yet though.

There are a lot more pieces and tweets about Ridder RE:NFL, with many people basically saying he has taken the place of Kellen Mond in the tweener area between the Trask/Wilson/Jones tier and the next group of QBs, and could easily go in the 3rd or 4th round this year if things keep up.

I just don’t see it. I think he has turned around his season and doing great, but I don’t think he has the elite athleticism to be a “running” type QB in the NFL ala Lamar or Mike Vick. And I don’t think he has the accuracy or skillset...yet.

Keep in mind that they are viewing it from a potential perspective of what he could be if his talent were maximized. Ridder does have a lot of athleticism, size, decent arm strength, etc...

I don’t see him being an NFL starter, but if he continues playing like he has over the last 4-5 weeks, then he will be drafted eventually.

AJ McCarron is still in the league. Des could make himself a good living using his smarts and backing up a good QB for several years.