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(05-18-2020 04:26 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 03:05 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The East Carolina posters are saying there was a BOT meeting at their school, recommendations to eliminate an Olympic sport, reduce travel budgets, take on more buy games, among other recommendations to help with budget issues.

Does this mean we wont have to worry about ECU scheduling D2 basketball games or three FCS football games in a season again?

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(05-18-2020 04:25 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 03:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 12:25 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 12:22 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 12:08 PM)dsquare Wrote:  This should be good for recruiting. lol.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...-oversight

Imagine that, a scandal @ Kentucky.

I have a friend, known her since we were in grade school, had some fun in college, all that jazz, who was a UK Cheerleader...the stories she told me were pretty horrifying.

I read through the report because hazing stories have always interested me. It says several times that "There is no indication that the individuals engaging in this behavior found it to be unwanted or unwelcome."

Are you saying that part of the report was likely false? (Wouldn't surprise me either way).

I said they horrified me...she loved being a UK cheerleader 03-lmfao

Hah!

Did the horror have anything to do with the fact that all of the pantsless activities and underwearless uniforms mentioned in the report were describing the male cheerleaders?
 
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(05-18-2020 05:12 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 04:25 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 03:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 12:25 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 12:22 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  Imagine that, a scandal @ Kentucky.

I have a friend, known her since we were in grade school, had some fun in college, all that jazz, who was a UK Cheerleader...the stories she told me were pretty horrifying.

I read through the report because hazing stories have always interested me. It says several times that "There is no indication that the individuals engaging in this behavior found it to be unwanted or unwelcome."

Are you saying that part of the report was likely false? (Wouldn't surprise me either way).

I said they horrified me...she loved being a UK cheerleader 03-lmfao

Hah!

Did the horror have anything to do with the fact that all of the pantsless activities and underwearless uniforms mentioned in the report were describing the male cheerleaders?

Damn I was just thinking FEMALE cheer girls!
 
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(05-18-2020 05:12 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 04:25 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 03:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 12:25 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 12:22 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  Imagine that, a scandal @ Kentucky.

I have a friend, known her since we were in grade school, had some fun in college, all that jazz, who was a UK Cheerleader...the stories she told me were pretty horrifying.

I read through the report because hazing stories have always interested me. It says several times that "There is no indication that the individuals engaging in this behavior found it to be unwanted or unwelcome."

Are you saying that part of the report was likely false? (Wouldn't surprise me either way).

I said they horrified me...she loved being a UK cheerleader 03-lmfao

Hah!

Did the horror have anything to do with the fact that all of the pantsless activities and underwearless uniforms mentioned in the report were describing the male cheerleaders?

Ding ding ding 03-lmfao
 
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You're fired!

Quote:Head coach Jomo Thompson, assistants Ben Head, Spencer Clan and Kelsey LaCroix, and adviser T. Lynn Williamson have all been dismissed, according to the school.
 
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(05-18-2020 07:16 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  [Image: c9bb776d-1c6d-4e77-bdd4-0b54e4813edb_1920x1080.jpg]
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You're fired!

Quote:Head coach Jomo Thompson, assistants Ben Head, Spencer Clan and Kelsey LaCroix, and adviser T. Lynn Williamson have all been dismissed, according to the school.

Jomo? Ben Head? Clan? You can't make this stuff up.
 
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(05-18-2020 07:16 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  [Image: c9bb776d-1c6d-4e77-bdd4-0b54e4813edb_1920x1080.jpg]
[Image: 49cbe9ec-9e06-4825-819f-19a86b3d7c01_1140x641.png]

You're fired!

Quote:Head coach Jomo Thompson, assistants Ben Head, Spencer Clan and Kelsey LaCroix, and adviser T. Lynn Williamson have all been dismissed, according to the school.

Jomo? Ben Head? Clan? You can't make this stuff up.
03-lmfao I know, right?
 
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ECU's financial report is an absolute disaster, but there were a few very big issues that I saw. First and foremost, over the past ten years their football ticket revenue dropped by just over $2M ($6.1M in 2011 to $4.02M this past year) and their donor intake and gift numbers are plummeting. Outside of their major gift drive in w017 for their stadium renovation, they had AT LEAST a 10% year to year drop in total donations and AT LEAST an 8% drop in donors each of the last 5 years in Y2Y comparisons.
 
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(05-18-2020 10:38 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  ECU's financial report is an absolute disaster, but there were a few very big issues that I saw. First and foremost, over the past ten years their football ticket revenue dropped by just over $2M ($6.1M in 2011 to $4.02M this past year) and their donor intake and gift numbers are plummeting. Outside of their major gift drive in w017 for their stadium renovation, they had AT LEAST a 10% year to year drop in total donations and AT LEAST an 8% drop in donors each of the last 5 years in Y2Y comparisons.

Other than 2014 they have been uncompetitive in the AAC. Firing Ruffin, an ECU alum, irked their fanbase as well. Unlike UC, Ecu doesn’t have basketball as an avenue to help keep the losses from falling completely in the toilet in a down year(s).

They are going to make some serious tough moves going forward with the budget.
 
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Yep, despite delusions of grandeur among some in its fan base, ECU remains a directional state university with abysmal basketball, a decade of bad football and no TV market. Its ticket to the American was a large stadium and impressive football attendance that has now fallen off considerably. ECU was basically the beneficiary of the demise of Big East football.

I recall Huggins was incensed when ECU was invited to old C-USA and he had to take the Bearcats to that tiny gym for road games. Not much has changed in that sport.

Until UC can escape the AAC, our best hope is to raise the bottom of this conference to respectability. Information shared in this thread suggests some key measures are headed in the wrong direction for the Pirates to improve their stature.
 
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So what is the annual savings to UC for dropping soccer? 30 players and 3 coaches

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(05-19-2020 08:46 AM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  So what is the annual savings to UC for dropping soccer? 30 players and 3 coaches

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It was a little over $900,000.
 
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(05-19-2020 08:12 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Yep, despite delusions of grandeur among some in its fan base, ECU remains a directional state university with abysmal basketball, a decade of bad football and no TV market. Its ticket to the American was a large stadium and impressive football attendance that has now fallen off considerably. ECU was basically the beneficiary of the demise of Big East football.

I recall Huggins was incensed when ECU was invited to old C-USA and he had to take the Bearcats to that tiny gym for road games. Not much has changed in that sport.

Until UC can escape the AAC, our best hope is to raise the bottom of this conference to respectability. Information shared in this thread suggests some key measures are headed in the wrong direction for the Pirates to improve their stature.

To me, along with Southern Miss nothing screams Conference USA more than ECU. Going to Hattiesburg and Greenville was one of the things UC did not want any part of in the early 2000s. We sought a path to be more like Pitt and some other urban research schools academically and athletically.
 
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(05-19-2020 08:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 08:46 AM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  So what is the annual savings to UC for dropping soccer? 30 players and 3 coaches

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It was a little over $900,000.
I also wonder how much is spent for travel for non revenue sports. Anyone know?

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(05-19-2020 09:00 AM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 08:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 08:46 AM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  So what is the annual savings to UC for dropping soccer? 30 players and 3 coaches

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It was a little over $900,000.
I also wonder how much is spent for travel for non revenue sports. Anyone know?

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I will look it up but my guess is regardless of the amount we will be looking into more regional travel across the board. We are already doing it in some of the sports, and I know this is a topic being discussed by the AAC. I have heard one suggestion that we just play regionally opponents in baseball without a conference slate, but there would be a conference tournament at the end of the regular season to determine the champion.
 
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(05-19-2020 09:04 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 09:00 AM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 08:51 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 08:46 AM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  So what is the annual savings to UC for dropping soccer? 30 players and 3 coaches

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It was a little over $900,000.
I also wonder how much is spent for travel for non revenue sports. Anyone know?

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I will look it up but my guess is regardless of the amount we will be looking into more regional travel across the board. We are already doing it in some of the sports, and I know this is a topic being discussed by the AAC. I have heard one suggestion that we just play regionally opponents in baseball without a conference slate, but there would be a conference tournament at the end of the regular season to determine the champion.

We've complained about lack of rivalries in the American but we're now seeing another disadvantage to a conference cobbled together from the Atlantic Ocean to Texas. Other conferences have grown into larger geographic footprints too. The difference though is that most had contiguous states and historic, nearby rivals. Yet another reason it would be good to be back with Louisville and Pitt in the ACC, or even one close travelling rival in the B12 with West Virginia.

It's a long way to Memphis and Philly, especially for non-revenue sports.
 
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I have a feeling that we truly won't know how this all ends up for at least another year. A lot of this is being done under the cover of COVID. In other words, universities with deeply financially unstable athletic departments are all of a sudden using COVID to do things that they were staring down in any event. Even then, it seems to be a cut here, a cut there try and protect football and basketball as much as possible and see where things stand in a few month.

Regardless of how quickly we come out of the pandemic, I think this has opened up the pandora's box of unsustainable college athletics, and the bloodletting has only begun. And I don't think anyone's immune. The G5 are clearly the canaries in the coal mine, but what happens when the 60 or 70 million dollars in football ticket revenue that Michigan or OSU count on to fund their 30+ D1 goes away for a year?
 
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(05-19-2020 09:19 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I have a feeling that we truly won't know how this all ends up for at least another year. A lot of this is being done under the cover of COVID. In other words, universities with deeply financially unstable athletic departments are all of a sudden using COVID to do things that they were staring down in any event. Even then, it seems to be a cut here, a cut there try and protect football and basketball as much as possible and see where things stand in a few month.

Regardless of how quickly we come out of the pandemic, I think this has opened up the pandora's box of unsustainable college athletics, and the bloodletting has only begun. And I don't think anyone's immune. The G5 are clearly the canaries in the coal mine, but what happens when the 60 or 70 million dollars in football ticket revenue that Michigan or OSU count on to fund their 30+ D1 goes away for a year?

Then they'll realize that spending a couple hundred thousand dollars to support a ******* rifle team or water polo is a stupid idea.

Truthfully, all of the revenue anchors should just end up being what Michigan did with their "Varsity Club" sports...that's the way to go for the future. Allows for marginal oversight and recognition of the teams without adherence to NCAA parameters or the need to dump money into them. It also allowed for many club sports to become self-sufficient through gifts they otherwise would not have been able to develop because of the promotional power and support of the athletics department.
 
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The AAC couldn't drop ECU/Tulane/Tulsa right now anyways, correct? It would seem to be a bad time to reenter television negotiations, all things considered.
 
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(05-19-2020 10:29 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  The AAC couldn't drop ECU/Tulane/Tulsa right now anyways, correct? It would seem to be a bad time to reenter television negotiations, all things considered.

I don't think it would be the AAC making that decision...hell, the article from the ECU side of things had a very foreboding quote "As a department, we will make every effort to remain within our current conference affiliation while it remains financially viable"
 
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